Senators Finally Hold Hearing on Pre-War Intelligence

By David Swanson

Well, the Senate Intelligence Committee, under Republican control, and with very polite (OK, almost nonexistent) Democratic protest, has yet to hold hearings on the Iraq War lies, but today the Senate Democratic Policy Committee held a Hearing on the model of Rep. John Conyers' Downing Street Memo hearing: no subpoena power, but great witnesses. And a Republican even came: Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina.

Here are the witnesses' prepared statements.

Here are my notes from the hearing in Room 192 of the Dirksen Senate Office Building:

Senators Dorgan, Reid, and Bingaman were here at the start.

Dorgan chairs the Policy Committee. Senator Rockefeller, the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, was not present, but was out recovering from surgery.

1:30 p.m. ET Dorgan opened the hearing and said that additional Senators would be coming, as well as Rep. Walter Jones, who had asked to attend.

Senator Feinstein showed up a moment later.

Dorgan said the hearing was needed in order to understand why the pre-Iraq War intelligence was wrong, and stressed that good intelligence was needed in the future. He mentioned the recent Frontline program on PBS, which he said disturbed him.

Senator Reid, like Dorgan, spoke as if there were a mystery as to how the Iraq intelligence ended up so "flawed."

1:40 p.m. The room is packed, ca. 50 chairs filled and more than 50 people standing, plus a media table and 6 television cameras.

Bingaman said he was glad to be here.

Feinstein spoke about T. Drumheller's recent statements about "Curveball" and about unsuccessful efforts to exclude bogus claims from Bush's speeches. Feinstein also pointed out the Senate Intelligence Committee's failure to fulfill its commitment to investigating the (mis)use of pre-war intelligence.

Dorgan introduced Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. I've been handed hardcopies of all the witnesses prepared remarks. Hopefully they will be posted in full on Sen. Dorgan's website.

1:46 Thus far Wilkerson is not following his text, but talking about historical context and saying that Presidents from Truman to the present have been balancing security needs with civil liberties.

Now, he's roughly following the text, going over his own background. But he's skipped the part where he laments the absence of Republicans in the room (other than himself). And he's said he'll go quickly and not say everything.

But he plans to talk about 1)pre-Iraq War intell., 2) specifically Powell's UN speech, 3) US intell capability. Re pt. 1, he says he was dismayed and raises the possibility that some accountability may be required. Re. pt. 2, he says it will be the low point of his career until he dies. He sees the case for the Iraq war as "the perpetration of a hoax."

What disturbs him is politicization of intelligence, cherry-picking to fit political objectives.

Wilkerson left out most of his 7 pages of prepared testimony.

1:52 Dorgan introduced Paul Pillar, former National Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia. Pillar has already testified at similar Democratic hearings on the House side of Capitol Hill.

Pillar cites three problems: 1) the non-use of intelligence and intelligence assessments. His office did not receive any requests for intelligence from the Bush Administration until about a year into the war. It was the Senate that requested the National Intelligence Estimate.

Even the flawed NIE said Iraq was years away from having nuclear weapons, and unlikely to use any WMD it had. And the intelligence community predicted that a war would lead to a disastrous situation, not democracy.

Second, the administration used raw reporting not approved by the intelligence community, as in the uranium lies and the lies about alleged ties to al Qaeda (I'm paraphrasing. No one has used the word "lies".)

Third, the intelligence community's own judgments were politicized, and not just by blatant arm twisting, also by the creation of an environment in which intelligence is used only to justify a predetermined course, and only that sort of intelligence is welcomed.

Pillar pretty well covered his 3-page prepared statement. An excellent statement – one that calls into question the motives of the Senators and House Members who voted for the war. Senator Feingold said recently that he voted against the war because the intelligence was not credible. That was, of course, one of the reasons that Rep. Dennis Kucinich and others in the House organized most of the Dems to vote No. Yet the Senators in this room STILL support the war. They're investigating the lies that launched the war, but still today back the war.

2:02 p.m. Sen. Dorgan introduced Carl Ford, Jr., Former Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research, U.S. Department of State.

Ford has a 2-page prepared statement. He's mumbling it, verbatim. And he's claiming that the problem was NOT political pressure, but rather incompetence. The NIE was excellent, he thinks. Every NIE, he says, is always long on opinion and short on evidence. "I put most of the blame on the intelligence community."

He also blames policy makers, he said, addressing the present Senators, telling them not to accept the crap the intelligence community usually churns out (crap is his word).

Always ask whether other agencies agree, he told the Senators. Insist on more than assertions and conclusions. When they resist, throw the messenger out of your office and tell everyone about your bad experience. Rely on your own instincts. If the milk smells, don't drink it.

….well, that was, um, helpful, uh, I guess.

Next to speak is Wayne White, Former Deputy Director, Office of Analysis for the Near East and South Asia, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, U.S. Dept. of State.

He said that the President, VP, Rummy, Condi had little experience with the Middle East, and that they intervened in the intelligence analysis in order to shape it to serve a regional agenda.

He cited the "harassment of INR analyst Christian Westerman by … Bolton

He said the NIE findings on nuclear weapons were "either ignored or allegedly, repeat allegedly, not read by at least one key decision maker."

He cited other good examples, and offered this as what he said was a new one:

CENTCOM planned to rely on NGOs for the gathering of Iraqi dead and treatment of Iraqi military and civilian wounded. "In two separate meetings, I reminded CENTCOM officers in no uncertain terms of their responsibilities under the Geneva Convention regarding these duties and that NGOs almost never operate on active battlefields.

He also recounted his efforts to counter the idea that the insurgency was largely foreign fighters, pointing out that the insurgency was driven by opposition to the occupation, disenfranchisement, joblessness, and lack of public services.

White stressed the Iraqis military prowess, as demonstrated in the Iran-Iraq war, and said that in the first week of the war he warned of the danger of a powerful guerrilla insurgency.

White covered his 4.5 pages of prepared text.

Sen. Dorgan thanked the four witnesses.

Dorgan asked Ford: When members of the US Congress are provided with intelligence by the head of the CIA, by the President and the Vice President, is there a requirement for that intelligence to be described to the Congress in terms of where it comes from and other sources that may disagree? The intelligence delivered to us about the aluminum tubes omitted important information from another agency, the Department of Energy.

Ford said: There is no obligation for the head of the CIA to tell you what we at INR or others think, but I think they should. Some of the obligation has to rest to you to ask those questions: "Does everyone agree with this?"

Dorgan then asked Wilkerson: When a presentation was made to the UN by Sec. Powell, I watched it and was impressed by it, and it was information that had been given to us as well, but the Sec. of State later discovered that he had not been given all the information. Is that correct?

Wilkerson said he believed so. Dorgan and Wilkerson are following the line taken by Frontline on PBS, which holds that the CIA misled Powell, who meant well. Wilkerson said that Powell was persuaded by the CIA on the aluminum tubes. Wilkerson still claims the aluminum tubes issue is complicated and that he's still not clear on what Saddam Hussein bought the tubes for.

But we already know that the State Department staff warned Powell that many of his claims would not be found plausible, and that Powell manufactured disinformation:
http://www.davidswanson.org/?q=node/435

Wilkerson went on to say that at no time, during any briefing at Langley, did we hear the name "Curveball," or any of the doubts about many of the sources of information – Chalabi and others from INC.

Dorgan: Did they have doubts then?

Wilkerson: Tyler Drumheller says he did.

Dorgan: What was done to you, the exact same thing was done to the United States Congress.

2:35 p.m. Bingaman asked Pillar (repeatedly mispronouncing his name, which everyone else then followed for the rest of the hearing, exhibiting the ease with which bad intelligence can spread) whether there was a point when the Administration shifted from wanting to know the facts to wanting to justify a determined plan. In his question, Bingaman cited the Downing Street Memo and the Briefing Paper that preceded that meeting in July 2002, referring to Michael Smith's expected testimony.

Pillar said he believed that by the Spring or Summer of 2002 the decision to go to war had been made. Pillar said that when making assessments in January 2003 he was sure the war would go ahead.

Bingaman asked White, who didn't really answer, the same question. Then he asked Wilkerson, who said that Powell was very heavily involved in diplomacy into early 2003. Wilkerson thinks Powell believed he could still influence the decision as late as early 2003 – which suggests how out-of-the-loop Powell was.

Sen. Feinstein asked Wilkerson where al Libby information came from. Powell was ready to throw out 25-pages on terrorism – pages that Wilkerson came from a combination of the White House and the CIA.

Feinstein: when did DIA dissent?

Wilkerson: at time of interrogation, because evidence obtained by torture. I'm told DIA dissented Feb 3, two days before Powell went to UN. And Tenet had passed the text of Powell's speech around for comment. So, why weren't we told?

Feinstein: Where did Powell get the charts?

Wilkerson: from an Iraqi who worked in the labs [apparently Curveball], via the CIA. He assumes the CIA made the drawings.

Feinstein: Did you read yesterday's Washington Post. Do you believe Drumheller met with John McLaughlin.

Wilkerson: can't say. Trusts Drumheller, but impossible McLaughlin really doesn't remember.

Feinstein: How did information from Curveball make it into Powell's speech?

Wilkerson: from the reports we were given from four sources.

Dorgan: Didn't German authorities warn this country about Curveball's reliability. That he was a taxi driver and a drunk, and not an engineer?

Wilkerson: Someone might have registered a dissent at a lower level that was dismissed. The problem I have now is with Tyler Drumheller.

Feinstein: I agree.

Wilkerson believes John Hannah wrote and Scooter Libby only edited 48-page doc on WMD. Wilkerson says they turned to the NIE, but parts of it turned out to be just as bad.

Feinstein: asked Wilkerson what else he might like to say, because to put this man out before the world with information that was not correct, to put it modestly, was just a dastardly thing to do.

Tenet and McLaughlin did not bother to tell the Secretary whether Drumheller was telling the truth about Curveball or the DIA's dissent on al Libby.

Wilkerson was asked about the Pentagon and Doug Feith. He said they were very eclectic and tended to grab anything from a variety of sources.

Pillar addressed the same question and said that at least one project under Feith was to develop links between Iraq and al Qaeda.

Ford said If a few guys at the Pentagon can out talk the rest of us, shame on us.

Sen Dorgan: We didn't even know there was a dispute on the aluminum tubes.

Ford: Sir, with due respect, I came down here to the Hill too many times and expressed our positions on aluminum tubes and nuclear weapons – the problem was that the rest of the community disagreed with us at INR

Feinstein: Except for the Energy Dep.

Ford: Well, the Energy Dept tried to have it both ways. They went back and said they thought Saddam Hussein was trying to reconstitute a nuclear program….You should not base anything on what the intelligence community says. It's not any good.

Dorgan said that was the most disturbing comment yet.

Wilkerson was asked about M Atta and recounted numerous times that the story was stuck back in, and how many times it had to be taken out.

Wilkerson said a mapping company sold a product Saddam Hussein, and it came with maps of the Eastern U.S. That was the basis of the claims that Hussein was mapping the US coast. Did the DCI tell the office of the Vice President that? No.

Rep. Walter Jones is here now. Dorgan says a lot of Senators are out of town because there are no votes today.

Feinstein cited the Downing Street Memos and the evidence there that the facts were being fixed around the policy. Pillar said that was accurate and fairly apparent.

Ford said that he had not known in Spring and Summer of 02 that the decision had been made. He said that if the intelligence community had stood up, they might have changed the course.

White said he was unaware and believed up into 03 that the decision was not final.

Congressman Jones said he has sent over 8,000 letters to soldiers' families. What has befuddled me so greatly, he said, referring to Lt Gen Greg Newbold's article in Time Magazine this past April saying that he spoke within the military against the case for war. How did the four or five neoconservatives in the Dept. of Defense rewrite the intelligence? Unless someone wanted them to have that authority, how in the world could they have that influence? How could professionals see what was happening and not speak out?

Jones said that he, like others not on the intelligence committee (though he was on armed services) pretty much accepted what they were told.

Wilkerson: let me answer you with three words: The Vice President. Wilkerson also thanked Jones for being the only Republican to attend today.

Ford said he disagreed with Wilkerson's answer.

White said he didn't know about the intelligence office in the Pentagon until ca. 6 months before the war, when someone gave me a document from that office as comic relief. It looked like an unsorted pile of junk. Those offices should be eliminated. People don't know about them, there's no communication, the people have not been vetted, it has none of the professional standards.

Pillar also spoke about the work of the Sec of Defense and Office of VP. Feith's office gave a briefing to the intelligence committee and gave a longer briefing to the White House, which included extra slides criticizing the intelligence community for missing the link between Iraq and al Qaeda. We only learned about the different set of slides from a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Rep. Jones raised the topic of the Rendon Group.

Ford said he had never heard about them until recently.

Wilkerson said he thinks we've outsourced what we couldn't put in the Dept of Defense, and that the Rendon Group and the Lincoln Group are part of that outsourcing.

3:30 Still scheduled to testify are Rod Barton, Former Senior Advisor to the Iraq Survey Group (by video); Michael Smith of the Sunday Times of London (by telephone); and Joseph Cirincione, Senior Vice President of the Center for American Progress.

But I have to run.

Michael Smith sent me his prepared testimony.

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Here's Commentary from Larry Johnson:

Vice President Cheney, Chef in Chief
by
Larry C Johnson

The evidence now on the public record is overwhelming and, if we could have a jury, Vice President Dick Cheney would be found guilty of cooking the intelligence and lying us into war. Three remarkable and compelling pieces of evidence have hit the streets within the last two weeks. Let's start with today and work backwards. The Democratic Policy Committee held a hearing on the pre-war intelligence. Republican Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina, who requested to attend today's Senate Democratic Policy Committee hearing -- asked Col. Lawrence Wilkerson (Ret'd) how neoconservatives in the Administration gained so much power, and why no one spoke out against their efforts to shape policy toward Iraq in the run-up to war. Col. Wilkerson responded, "The Vice President". (or you can click to watch the clip.)

Most of the men who appeared today before Senator Dorgan and Congressman Jones are Republicans. None are partisans. Their words are horrifying when you realize that over 2500 American men and women have died in Iraq based on a lie.

You can read their statements at this link.

If you have visited this blog before you have probably seen several pieces by me describing how the Administration ignored the intelligence community warnings to not use the claim that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium yellowcake in West Africa and that there was no operational relationship between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. On both issues Vice President Cheney, President Bush, National Security Advisor Rice, and Secretary of Defense deliberately ignored the intelligence community.

Bush, and others in his administration, have denied they were trying to persuade Americans that Iraq was somehow behind 9-11. That too is a lie. A bald faced lie. How can I be so confident? We now have public testimony that the Administration repeatedly tried to link the 9-11 attacks to Iraq and willfully ignored the analysis of the intelligence community and the evidence from the law enforcement community. Vice President Cheney and Stephen Hadley, the current National Security Advisor, pressured and bullied the intelligence community to confirm that Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence officers in the Czech Republic prior to the 9-11 attack.

First, we have the testimony of Col. Wikerson. According to the Colonel:

In the rehearsal and discussion sessions at Langley, the give and take was mostly the Secretary of State trying to eliminate unsubstantiated and/or unhelpful material and others from the White House trying to keep that material in, or add more. One such incident occurred several times and the final time it occurred provided an example of the Secretary’s growing frustration.

Repeatedly, the OVP or NCS staff personnel tried to insert into the presentation the alleged meeting in Prague between al-Qaeda operative and 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and Iraqi intelligence personnel. Repeatedly, Secretary Powell eliminated it based on the DCI’s refusal to corroborate it.

Finally, at one of the last Langley rehearsals, Secretary Powell was stopped in mid-presentation by deputy national security advisor Steve Hadley and asked what had happened to the paragraph describing the meeting in Prague. Secretary Powell fixed Hadley with a firm stare and said with some pique, “We took it out, Steve — and it’s staying out.”

Second, there is the Frontline piece, The DarkSide, which was first broadcast on June 20, 2006. That documentary, buttressed by the testimony of intelligence and policy officials with first hand knowledge, describe how Cheney actively tried to subvert the intelligence process and, despite being told no evidence, continued to appear in public and boldly lie that Atta had met the Iraqis in Prague.

Third, there is the new book by Ron Suskind, The One Percent Doctrine. On pages 189-191 Suskind provides an account consistent with Col. Wilkerson's.

Cheney’s office claimed to have sources. And Rumsfeld’s too. They kept throwing them at [Deputy Director for Intelligence Jami Miscik] and CIA. The same information, five different ways. They’d omit that a key piece that had been discounted, that the source had recanted. Sorry, our mistake. Then it would reappear, again, in a memo the next week. The CIA held firm: the meeting in Prague between Atta and the Iraqi agent didn't occur.

Miscik was no fool. She understood what was going on. It wasn’t about what was true, or verifiable. It was about a defensible position, or at least one that would hold up until the troops were marching through Baghdad, welcomed as liberators.

A few days before, when she had sent the final draft [of a report about connections between Saddam and al-qaeda] over to Libby and Hadley, she told them, emphatically, This is it. There would be no more drafts, no more meetings where her analysts sat across from Hadley, or Feith, or the guys in Feith’s office, while the opposing team tied to slip something by them. The report was not what they wanted. She knew that. No evidence meant no evidence.

“I’m not going back there, again, George,” Miscik said. “If I have to go back to hear their crap and rewrite this [expletive] report…I’m resigning, right now.”

She fought back tears of rage.

Tenet picked up the phone to call Hadley.

"She is not coming over,” he shouted into the phone. “We are not rewriting this [expletive] report one more time. It is [expletive] over. Do you hear me! And don’t you ever [expletive] treat my people this way again. Ever!”

They did not re-write the report.

To call someone a liar, particularly the President and Vice President, is considered stepping over the line of public decorum. However, given the facts on the record, there is no other logical conclusion. Bush and Cheney are liars and because of their lies, Americans are dead and grievously wounded.

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Powell’s Chief of Staff and Others Confirm Bush’s Lies on Iraq Intel

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT

The Senate Democratic Policy Committee had a hearing today on pre-war Iraq intelligence to examine how Bush took us to war over faulty information. Witnesses included several prominent officials, such as Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff.

The hearing confirmed previous suspicions that the Administration misrepresented and exaggerated intelligence to promote its agenda. BuzzFlash has extracted and highlighted especially relevant portions of testimony.

Lawrence Wilkerson Former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell

- “The Vice President was using portions of the intelligence documents in ways that the documents themselves did not seem to support, or at least not strongly. Others in the administration were participating in this distortion.”

- “The Secretary of State and I, and a host of others in the administration, knew that Iraq’s alleged attempt to acquire uranium from Niger, as that attempt was then reported, was highly improbable.”

- “Saddam Hussein was waiting for the international focus on his regime to relax, for sanctions to be lifted, and for key countries to resume normal trade relations with Iraq. At that time, Saddam intended to resume his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear capability, but that at present he had virtually nothing in the way of WMD.”

On Powell’s UN Speech:

- “(Information from Cheney to be used in speech) was not sourced like a normal intelligence community document. . . Checking each source, line by line, was simply impossible in the short time we had to prepare the presentation.”

- “Repeatedly, the OVP or NCS staff personnel tried to insert into the presentation the alleged meeting in Prague between al-Qaeda operative and 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and Iraqi intelligence personnel. Repeatedly, Secretary Powell eliminated it based on the DCI’s refusal to corroborate it.”

- “It was a compilation of circumstantial evidence, and not a very convincing compilation at that.”

- “Word reached me that the multiple, independent sources we had been given for the existence of these labs were in fact only one source, that that one source was an informant called “Curveball,” and that there were very serious doubts as to this source’s reliability.”

Paul Pillar Former National Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia

- “The decision to go to war in Iraq exhibited serious problems in the intelligence policy relationship. Though not entirely unprecedented, these problems were so severe in the Iraq case that I would describe the relationship as broken.”

- “The Intelligence Community assessed that Iraq probably was several years away from development of a nuclear weapon—a judgment at variance with, for example, the publicly expressed view of the Vice President that Saddam Hussein was fairly close to getting such a weapon. The Estimate assessed that Saddam was unlikely to use any weapons of mass destruction he did have against the United States or to give them to terrorists, except perhaps in the extreme case in which we tried to overthrow his regime, as with an invasion.”

- “On the issue of the Saddam regime’s relations with terrorist groups, the Intelligence Community, in the assessments it produced on this subject, never judged that there was anything close to an alliance with Al Qaeda.”

- “In post-Saddam Iraq, the Intelligence Community produced on its own initiative its assessment of the likely challenges there. It presented a picture of a political culture that would not provide fertile ground for democracy and foretold a long, difficult, and turbulent transition.”

- “Instead of intelligence being used to inform policy decisions, it was used primarily to justify a decision already made.”

- “The administration’s public case sometimes included the use of raw reporting without reference to—and in some cases in contradiction with—the intelligence community’s judgments about the reporting.”

Wayne White Former Deputy Director, Office of Analysis for the Near East and South Asia, State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research

- “It is my belief that [the most senior officials involved] did intervene in the process of intelligence analysis in order to shape it to serve a regional agenda.”

- “My own formal February 2003 INR Analysis, “Iraq, the Middle East and Change: No Dominoes,” warned that even a successful effort in Iraq, both militarily and politically, would not only fail to trigger a tsunami of democracy in the region, but potentially could endanger longstanding U.S. allies in the Middle East, like Jordan, not the region’s anti-U.S. autocrats.”

- “Even if democracy had taken hold in various Middle East states, the result would have been governments more anti-American, anti-Israeli, and militantly Islamic than those previously in power.”

- “The Administration consistently denies charges that forces allotted to the Iraqi campaign were insufficient. This is false.”

- “Simply getting the country back to where it was just before the war would prove, even now in certain sectors, a mission impossible. As a result, again, the supply of so-called “Pissed-Off” Iraqis would be that much more plentiful and continuous.”

Rod Barton Former Senior Advisor to the Iraq Survey Group

- “.. alleged bio-production trailers were not related to biology but were for hydrogen production for artillery balloons, and ... aluminium tubes allegedly imported by Iraq for uranium enrichment were for artillery rockets.”

An Oversight Hearing on Pre-War Intelligence Relating to Iraq (6/26/06 -- Senate Democratic Policy Committee)

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT

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DonP I hope that provides everyone with the warm fuzzies that they needed. Hearing over; Constitution still in the crapper, but lots of money for re-election.

senate committee

How so! The truth is being told this committee is exposing criminal behaviour.

Senate Committee

DonP The truth has been known for years. Exposing the truth once again will only be of value if some action is taken on the evidence offered in testimony. You can bet and in fact you are betting that some how some one will actually take some action to alleviate the problems caused by this administration. My feeling basd upon the last six years evidence is that no action will be taken except to harass the truth tellers in the MSM. I wish to be wrong, but the empirical evidence favors the obverse.

Committee Hearing?

That was the result of a Committee Hearing held by Senators in the United States government?

It's no wonder the Democrats are always on the ropes...taking us along with 'em for the ride.

I caught a glimpse of the women who are Democratic Senators on the Larry King show the other evening. I had to change the channel; it looked like a group of people who couldn't stand being in the same room with one another, a group of people who were unable to sharply define the differences between Republicans and Democrats, a group of people without the intellectual weight to help solve the myriad problems facing this country.

It doesn't look good!

Watch it on C-span

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I must say I hear almost nothing new in the testimony given hear today as it has all been reported by independent media yet our senators and the one republican congressman (Walter Jones thank you) who took the testimony seemed almost flabergasted at what was being said. If your at all familiar with the issue you will come to the same conclusion...I'm kinda on the dumb side but I already knew all this stuff so what can be said about our representatives?
On a bright note I did see a familiar face in the audience front row all ears takeing notes, Ray McGovern! God bless you brother! This was actually the highlight of the entire video for me and after the conclusion of testimony he is speaking with senator Byron Dorgan and he lightly but assuredly bangs his fist on the railing emphasizing a point I'm sure. He should have been called to testify right out of his seat and I entertained the thought but alas they didn't.
Watch the video on cspan it really will be an eye opener for some and I will admit that much of the testimony from the former intellegence analysts is very candid for sure one of the analysts Carl Ford has three words for us...."the vice president"
Have a very good day all and as a side note Rush got popped by customs for haveing Viagra in his doctor's name you heard it here first...LOL
Michael

Dorgan said the hearing was

Dorgan said the hearing was needed in order to understand why the pre-Iraq War intelligence was wrong, and stressed that good intelligence was needed in the future.

How to end the "intel was wrong" myth? Bring out Amir Al Saadi from wherever the Pentagon and Bush owned CIA is hiding him. Saadi carried peace initiatives to Washington on behalf of Saddam Hussein proposing to allow thousands of CIA experts into Iraq to verify there were none there. If Saadi 'talks'; Bush 'walks' back to Crawford, getting pelted with rotten tomatoes all the way.

Dem Policy Cmte. Testimony Video

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