Only One Congress Member Gets It
By David Swanson
On Wednesday, I spoke with Congresswomen Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey about getting out of Iraq. They are moving in the right direction, but are not yet serious about ending the occupation this year. They are resigned to putting up an effort in a misguided approach, and then hoping to actually end it in 2009. It has not yet penetrated anyone's understanding that the best chance we have to end the occupation of Iraq between now and 2013 is during the next 14 months.
For almost a year Congressman Dennis Kucinich has been saying that the Democratic leadership in Congress should end the occupation of Iraq by not bringing up for a vote any more bills to fund it. For all these months, he has been the only member of Congress willing to say this.
The closest position espoused by any of the other 534 members of the House and Senate is that Congress should pass a bill to fund only the withdrawal of the troops and mercenaries. Of course, they don't say mercenaries but "contractors," and instead of withdrawal they say (and often mean) "redeployment," and they're willing to fund another year or more of the occupation if the bill doing so "funds the redeployment" by January 2009. This is the position of the 88 congress members who have signed the Peace Pledge Letter that is finally attracting a little attention. Or, rather, it would be their position if you could believe them. Most of the 88 just voted billions more for the occupation in a Continuing Resolution.
But here's the chief problem with the "fund a withdrawal" idea. It keeps everyone talking in terms of passing a bill. And once that bill fails in the Senate or is vetoed, everyone will still be talking in terms of passing a bill, but they'll pass a bill that simply funds the occupation. The idea that the Pentagon needs money to withdraw the troops and mercenaries is absurd. That's pocket change for the Pentagon. Kucinich advocates requiring Bush to use money already appropriated.
A recent poll offered people a choice of spending another $200 billion without conditions (13 percent of the country supported this), spending $200 billion but requiring that all troops be home within a year (19 percent), spending $50 billion and requiring that all troops be home in six months (14 percent), or requiring Bush to use existing funds to bring all troops home in six months (40 percent). One congress member represents 40 percent of Americans.
On Wednesday, Kucinich released a statement demanding that the Democratic leadership require Bush to use existing funds to end the occupation. "If they don't, then they're just as responsible as the President for continuing this illegal and immoral war," said Kucinich, "and open to accusations of fraud upon the American people for promising during last year's elections that Democratic control of the Congress would mean an end to the war. Instead of ending the war, the leadership has knuckled under time and time again and given the President every dollar he's asked for to continue it."
By delaying a vote until early next year on the Defense Department's $190 billion appropriation bill, the Democratic leaders of the House and the Senate have tacitly acknowledged that the war effort is already fully funded for the next several months, Kucinich said. "The leadership needs to force a showdown with the President and demand that those billions of dollars be used to bring our troops home now." He estimated the cost to withdraw all troops and equipment at between $5 billion and $10 billion. "That money is there right now. There is no excuse not to use it to bring our troops home."
Kucinich, the only Democratic Presidential candidate who voted against the original war authorization in 2002 and every supplemental war-funding appropriation since, said Democratic protestations that they don't have the votes to block additional funding "is a hoax. You don't need votes. All we need is the backbone to exercise our Constitutional authority and the integrity to keep our word to the voters to do what we said we would do: end this war. Now."
Kucinich has been saying this for many months and has failed, as far as I know, to bring a single additional congress member around to his position. Meanwhile, the Progressive Caucus, co-chaired by Woolsey and Lee, has organized 88 congress members to sign their letter, which begins
"Seventy House Members wrote in July to inform you that they will only support appropriating additional funds for U.S. military operations in Iraq during Fiscal Year 2008 and beyond for the protection and safe redeployment of our troops out of Iraq before you leave office."
Kucinich is one of the 88 who have signed. If enough congress members back this letter and stand behind it, it will become very difficult for Pelosi to pass any Iraq funding bill other than the worst sort of unconditional funding that will win considerable backing from Republicans. A bill to fund a withdrawal will die in the Senate or be vetoed. At that point, Pelosi will search around for a bill she can pass without the support of progressives. What would make her less likely to go this route would be if the 87 other than Kucinich who have signed the letter were talking about it in terms of the ultimate goal of not passing any bill. Instead they are talking in terms of pressuring the Senate to pass their bill. The words "sixty senators" are constantly on their lips, even though everyone knows the next impossible feat after winning over 60 senators would have to be winning over 67 senators (60 to get past a filibuster, 67 to get past a veto).
At an event I attended Wednesday evening (see photo album), Congressman Jim Moran gave a speech in which he claimed that the Democrats could not end the occupation without 60 senators. This is crazy. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could single-handedly refuse to bring Iraq funding bills up for votes. Or 41 senators could block any such bill. And Nancy Pelosi could single-handedly refuse to bring Iraq funding bills up for a vote. It would take 218 members signing a petition to force a vote against her will. And she has shown how effectively she can assert her will when she wants to.
Congresswomen Woolsey and Lee spoke after Moran. They spoke of the importance of the House acting as it should regardless of the Senate, but then lamented the state of the Senate and concluded that at least they'd end the occupation in 2009. I talked to Woolsey and Lee separately afterwards.
Woolsey did not at first even understand what I was trying to tell her. She insisted that 60 senate votes are needed. I explained that only 41 or 1 (Harry Reid's) would do it once we get to the point of blocking bills. She understood, but clearly believed the whole discussion was outside the realm of discourse on Capitol Hill.
Lee seemed to understand more quickly what I was saying, but also to lack any confidence that a real attempt to end the occupation this year could get off the ground. I asked her what would happen if her proposal for funding "redeployment" died in the Senate or on the president's desk. Would people understand that it was time to pass no legislation, or would they insist on passing some bill, any bill? The latter, she said. But she expressed a willingness to start trying to talk in terms of blocking any bills to fund the occupation.
Sadly, the list we need to be watching even more than the list of signers of the Peace Pledge letter, is the list of congress members who want to end the occupation, not by passing a bill, but by blocking one. This list currently has only one person's name on it. If it doesn't grow quickly, and if the presidential election doesn't change drastically, we will be facing at least five more years of occupying Iraq.
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"Kucinich has been saying this for many months and has failed, as far as I know, to bring a single additional congress member around to his position."
What? Already indoctrinating yourself to pretend Ron Paul doesn't exist?
2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007:
Q: What would be your strategy for ending the war in Iraq?
(congressman Ron) PAUL: "Just come home. We just marched in. We can just come back. We went in there illegally. We did not declare war. It's lasting way too long. We didn't declare war in Korea or Vietnam. The wars were never really ended. We lose those wars. We're losing this one. We shouldn't be there. We ought to just come home."
http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Ron_Paul_War_+_Peace.htm
Meanwhile, Kucinich told Tucker Carlson in an interview: “…ok, it’s time for the U.S. to leave. But we cannot leave without creating an international peacekeeping and security force…that means an initiative with Syria and Iran..and when we create this that’s when we can be assured that as we leave Iraq will not disintegrate…”
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&fg=email&vid=17f6984b-7ebc-4...
Hmm...what if we gave a war and no one (id est, an "...international peacekeeping and security force...") came?
Well, apparently, according to Kucinich, we'll just have to fight it ourselves.
"I asked her(Congresswomen Barbara Lee) what would happen if her proposal for funding "redeployment" died in the Senate or on the president's desk. Would people understand that it was time to pass no legislation, or would they insist on passing some bill, any bill? The latter, she said. But she expressed a willingness to start trying to talk in terms of blocking any bills to fund the occupation."
Going around, hat-in-hand, begging "progressives" in congress to end war funding is pointless at best, cynically self-defeating more likely.
Already, you can see bush setting you up for the trade-off; you can have your Soviet Union immitation "progressive" agenda, but I get to keep my war.
You'll accept. Correction---you already have accepted.
You have to. Just as the war in Iraq (and it's pending sequel to the east) are the imperialist means of using govenment's coercive power to impose the will of the few on the many, the "progressive" agenda is the means by which the same is achieved domestically.
No matter that you're able to sucker yourselves popular support for the likes of "universal" health care. By the time the masses start realizing it isn't working, the system will be in place. And they still won't understand that by accepting the lure of welfare state goodies they've left themselves powerless.
John Edwards "health care" plan requires each individual to purchase health insurance. At least he's honest about it. The system can't be made to work if individuals are deciding for themselves how to spend their money.
There's a multi-light year gap of mutual exclusivity between the domestic war against the individual, or "progressive agenda",if you will, and a free society.
Effective oppositon to war can only be founded on respect for individual rights, not mere aversion to the material consequences of war.
---The Bikemessenger
your quote
from ron paul does not mention the startegy of refusing to bring up funding bills. i hope he has backed that strategy, and if he has he should get credit for it. your two quotes distinguish ron paul who would leave iraq in chaos and misery from dennis kucinich who would work for peace, reparations, and reconstruction. you distinguish a guy who cares only about dollars and american lives from one who cares about all human lives.
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David:
Sorry about the double post.
Paul has never voted in favor of a war funding bill. If no one else ever introduced a funding bill, do you suppose he would? If he doesn't explicitly back the strategy, then it's simply implied by his unequivical insistence that troops be withdrawn immediately and without conditions.
Of course Paul "would leave iraq in chaos and misery..." Iraq IS in chaos and misery. Are you implying that continued occupation by foreign troops is the way for them to extricate themselves from their predicament?
Kuchinich's proposition implies that the problem is not foreign occupation; but that the foreigners happen to be Americans.
You suggest Kuchinich would "work for peace", but that's an impertinent paradigm. When it comes to the questions of what the federal governments of sovreign nations should or should not do, it is the nature of the power in the hands of a given head of state, (say, the President of the United States, for example) that his choices are limited to the imposition of his will by force, or refraining from imposing his will by force.
The president of the United States has no capacity to "work for peace" he can only allow it to occur (which of course, is no gaurantee that peace will occur) or he can prevent peace, by waging war. These are his only options.
Continued occupation, regardless of the nationality of the occupier, constitutes the former. And that is merely a perpetuation of the initial criminal act of invasion.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but there really is no God. Even the most powerful amoungst us is only a finite, fallable human being.
Some matters we must leave to others, as we are all of the same ken. We must accept, therefore, that some matters must be allowed to follow a course distasteful to us.
And it is only AFTER said occupation ends that the Iraqis can begin to extricate themselves from their current dire circumstance.
It is critical to appreciate that it is they themselves that must put their house in order. But they cannot "put their house in order", so to speak, unless they are free from outside interference, to the point that "order" in this context, is whatever they say constitutes "order" whether the powers that be in Washington agree or not.
It is essential that Americans be explicitly denied a say in the matter. Of course, this does not absolve us of responsibility for creating the mess in the first place.
You are absolutely correct that we should bear the burden of reparations. You are equally mistaken that we should be involved in reconstruction.
Again, whatever course Iraqi society takes from here, we should have no say in the matter.
Iraq has a lot of needs right now. But the one that we are in a position to fulfill immediately, and the most fundamental one, is that we get the hell out of their country---NOW.
"...you distinguish a guy who cares only about dollars and american lives from one who cares about all human lives."
David, this is the fundamental flaw in the logic of leftist ideology. It conveniently papers over and ignores the distinction between intentions and consequences.
Meaning well just isn't good enough by itself. And as always, you sanctimoniously present your good intentions as all thats necessary.
No, it's not. What you propose has to work. And it just doesn't work to continue to meddle. How can it, if we shouldn't have meddled in the first place?
It's not a matter of "caring". It's a matter of respecting. Peace can only be founded on mutual respect, i.e., allowing the other to chart his own destiny. Especially when the destiny the other chooses for himself is one of which we disapprove.
Dr. Paul gets no support from me on the issues of reproductive rights, for example. We are in total disagreement. But Libertarians go beyond demands for unanimity at gunpoint. As president, he would attempt to dissolve federal authority in these matters.
No doubt, in those circumstances, you would see the country evolve into his "red states" and my "blue states". Not ideal from either position, but we understand that we can't have it all our own way in other people's lives. What to you have to say to those on the other side of these issues? Realistically, they aren't going to knuckle under or convert. What's the point of continued discord and strife?
I'd rather sue for peace.
What Paul offers is peaceful coexistence, not utopian sales talk. From my prespective, I like the way it allows us to agree to disagree.
---The Bikemessenger
Foreign War: The Price Of Domestic War
"Kucinich has been saying this for many months and has failed, as far as I know, to bring a single additional congress member around to his position."
What? Already indoctrinating yourself to pretend Ron Paul doesn't exist?
2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007:
Q: What would be your strategy for ending the war in Iraq?
(congressman Ron) PAUL: "Just come home. We just marched in. We can just come back. We went in there illegally. We did not declare war. It's lasting way too long. We didn't declare war in Korea or Vietnam. The wars were never really ended. We lose those wars. We're losing this one. We shouldn't be there. We ought to just come home."
http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Ron_Paul_War_+_Peace.htm
Meanwhile, Kucinich told Tucker Carlson in an interview: “…ok, it’s time for the U.S. to leave. But we cannot leave without creating an international peacekeeping and security force…that means an initiative with Syria and Iran..and when we create this that’s when we can be assured that as we leave Iraq will not disintegrate…”
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&fg=email&vid=17f6984b-7ebc-4...
Hmm...what if we gave a war and no one (id est, an "...international peacekeeping and security force...") came?
Well, apparently, according to Kucinich, we'll just have to fight it ourselves.
"I asked her(Congresswomen Barbara Lee) what would happen if her proposal for funding "redeployment" died in the Senate or on the president's desk. Would people understand that it was time to pass no legislation, or would they insist on passing some bill, any bill? The latter, she said. But she expressed a willingness to start trying to talk in terms of blocking any bills to fund the occupation."
Going around, hat-in-hand, begging "progressives" in congress to end war funding is pointless at best, cynically self-defeating more likely.
Already, you can see bush setting you up for the trade-off; you can have your Soviet Union immitation "progressive" agenda, but I get to keep my war.
You'll accept. Correction---you already have accepted.
You have to. Just as the war in Iraq (and it's pending sequel to the east) are the imperialist means of using govenment's coercive power to impose the will of the few on the many, the "progressive" agenda is the means by which the same is achieved domestically.
No matter that you're able to sucker yourselves popular support for the likes of "universal" health care. By the time the masses start realizing it isn't working, the system will be in place. And they still won't understand that by accepting the lure of welfare state goodies they've left themselves powerless.
John Edwards "health care" plan requires each individual to purchase health insurance. At least he's honest about it. The system can't be made to work if individuals are deciding for themselves how to spend their money.
There's a multi-light year gap of mutual exclusivity between the domestic war against the individual, or "progressive agenda",if you will, and a free society.
Effective oppositon to war can only be founded on respect for individual rights, not mere aversion to the material consequences of war.
---The Bikemessenger