Concentrated effort on Conyers

Conyers' latest excuse for not acting on impeachment: it will interfere with the presidential election. This is going to be Congress's favorite excuse as November approaches.

To overcome this, let's make a concerted effort to contact Conyers this week to ask him to start hearings, or at least to introduce Lofgren's 1974 Report. Phone, fax, write, etc. (Wash D.C. ph: 202-225-5126 fax: 202-225-0072).

sample letter at:
http://impeachbush.meetup.com/404/messages/2472524/

Currently the petition at ImpeachBush.org has over 1 million signers. Does anyone know how to contact that group to mobilize those signers to take an action this week?

Thanks!

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To be more specific...

He said that he didn't want to "interfere" with Barack Obama's presidential election.

“Dear friends, this [impeachment] is a decision I am struggling with, and I want to share it here. Do I want to jeopardize the election by taking up this issue?” Conyers asked. “The problem is, this could become the issue of the 2008 election. This brilliant, talented Senator (Obama), who has more delegates and more votes than anybody else, could get derailed.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/PO...

In fact, David Swanson has an article here about this.

If you want to pressure Conyers, then call, write, all you want, but that will not persuade him. But maybe if those Millions contacted Obama, he would feel the need to publicly address Conyers, then Conyers would have no choice BUT to impeach.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/an-open-letter-to-sen-barack-...

So true, willy!

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But then there are those "Progressives"...

...who think that the possible risk to a democratic "victory" in Nov. out weighs the loss of constitutional protections, the hundreds of soldiers lives over the next 7 months, as well as the countless Iranian civilians who WILL perish in the next "Shock and Awe".

Impeachment is not just there for the protection of OUR civil liberties or OUR constitutional rights; it exists also as a means to protect others outside our borders from an imperialist president with ambitions of world domination.

We have a duty to ourselves and to preserve the constitution for future generations; but we also have a duty to the innocent people of Iran. Who have no nuclear weapons, and who pose no threat to this nation.

Willy is spot on about those "Progressives"!

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For Willy and every other citizen of the United States of Americ

Willy where you said: If you want to pressure Conyers, then call, write, all you want, but that will not persuade him.....

You're right. Absolutely.

I keep wondering how much more proof is going to have to jump up and slap liberals and other democrats in the face to help them come to the realization that the democrats they elected to the majority have sold them out and in essense have joined the bush republican's cause, refunding the war again and again, tabling impeachment, etc., etc., ....then spouting out the lamest excuses for not doing their jobs and otherwise JUST FLAT IGNORING "ALL" THE WISHES AND DEMANDS OF "ALL" THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED THEM INTO MAJORITY POWER!

Worse is that especially the liberal side of the democratic party bite onto their bullshit excuses like starving Perch's latch onto worms baited on a hook.

There is simply NO EXCUSE that can be dreamed up by Conyers or anybody else, actual or even plausible, for them not uphold their sworn oaths and duty to uphold the Constitution and going forward immediately with impeachment of both cheney and bush. Nor can the liberals come up with any valid excuses and/or justification for their own party members in congress not doing their jobs and upholding the Constitution.

Doing their duty and upholding the Constitution and the law HAS NOT one damned thing to do with the upcoming election, and Conyers as does every other democratic leader in congress, especially including House Speaker Pelosi, know it.

Repeat! Impeachment HAS NOTHING to do with the upcoming election and HAS EVERYTHING TO DO with equal justice FOR ALL under the Constitution and laws that mandate the House of Congress to restore honor in this nation by performing and following up on their oath sworn duties no matter how individually and/or personally distasteful those duties might be.

Clinton lied, small lies compared to the lies and crimes committed by this current predident and vice president, and charges of impeachment were proffered against Clinton, accepted, and followed through on. The only reason richard millhouse nixon wasn't impeached is because he knew he was dead meat and took the coward's way out with resignation and insincere milquetoast apology before they could "hang his ass."

Should no less be done to bush and cheney for the numerous overt high crimes they have committed?

Should congress be allowed to continue on their present path of dereliction of duty, which in itself is high crime commissions by elected officials and in complete violation of the U S Constitution? Or should "we the people" unite against them as well and oust them using the most immediate legal miens necessary? Those two questions my fellow U S Citizens are the questions we should be asking ourselves.

If one decides to ask themselves the two questions, one might wish to do it while at least humming to the tune or singing the words to a song I was taught in school as a child:

This is my country! Land of my birth!
This is my country! Grandest on earth!
I pledge thee my allegiance, America, the bold,
For this is my country to have and to hold.

This is my country! Land of my choice!
This is my country! Hear my proud voice!
I pledge thee my allegiance, America, the bold,
For this is my country to have and to hold.
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Of course one might choose to leave the land of their "birth" if that is their "choice" or one might just sit back and accept oligarchy rule from the very people we elect, people that consider themselves granted exclusive special privilages of lords, queens and kings over and above ourselves, people that have traitorously forsaken us, taken advantage of their elected positions thumbing their noses at us, doing as "they" wish.

If no action is decided and taken by ourselves in our own self interests, "HEAR MY VOICE," because this is the vividly clear and concise point of metamorphasis to where our nation has evolved...and WE WILL fall as a constitutionally governed republic of free and independent people and "THEY," the very people that make and alter the laws to specific advantage KNOW IT, should "we the people" ere long allow it to continue.

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You speak the truth here, Indy

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Here's what people need to start asking Conyers, Pelosi, etc...

"What are they holding over your head? Is their a skeleton in your closet that makes Elliot Spitzer look like an altar boy? Is Bush threatening a false flag attack either here or in the Middle East against our troops and ensuing martial law if you commence with impeachment proceedings? Are you profiting in some way from the ongoing illegal invasion of Iraq?

What exactly is it, Mr. Conyers? Mrs. Pelosi?

Because let me tell you something: There is no acceptable excuse for failing to honor your oath to the Constitution. The people put your party in power to do a job and you are failing miserably.

Don't try to feed us any garbage about how we don't understand how things work in Washington. We understand all too well. We can see right through every lame reason you have so far given for refusing to act.

So what is it? Why ARE you so blatantly betrying the trust of the American people?"

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Conyers says he has "compelling" reasons> they may be legitimate

John, I don't think Conyers' fears are of an ominous personal nature involving small planes. I don't even think Bush would be that stupid. Everyone would look to Bush and Cheney FIRST if something of a grave nature happened.

But I do think John Conyers fears are that Republicans will take advantage of Impeachment Hearings, and then somehow win the White House again. Conyers has to weigh the pros and cons between impeachment and winning the White House. I think it is obvious to all by now that John Conyers, a Democrat Congressman who wrote Constitution in Crisis, does not believe that BOTH can be achieved simultaneously.

Is it a legitimate fear that Conyers' Democrat Party would lose the White House to the Neocons for another 8 , even 16 years? Yes, unfortunately, that is a reality on the table with John McCain as the GOP candidate, especially if McCain choses Joe Lieberman as his running mate.

We do not have to like John Conyers' decisions, but I do greatly respect the man and empathize that he has a heavy burden on his shoulders. I would not want to be in his shoes for the world.

I have nothing nice to say about Pelosi.

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So Yank, you do NOT support pressing for impeachment?

Or do you? I have to ask when you suggest...

"Is it a legitimate fear that Conyers' Democrat Party would lose the White House to the Neocons for another 8 , even 16 years? Yes, unfortunately, that is a reality on the table..."

Yank

Yank is a closet neocon.

Closet reality?

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You speak the truth here, willy

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Impeachment is not about winning elections, Yank.

It's about honoring the Constitution.

If John Conyers is truly worried about repugs taking advantage of impeachment (a truly laughable prospect), they've got him right where they want him. And THAT'S how repugs will win.

For those who insist on the ridiculous politics, history proves that the party bringing impeachment has always cleaned up in subsequent elections. David Swanson talks about this all the time. Have you never heard him? Dems went after Nixon (who of course resigned before he could be impeached) and won big. Then they failed to go after Reagan for Iran/Contra and got their asses kicked. And the repugs did well after they impeached Clinton, even though only 30-some percent of the people supported it.

Jeezus, Bush has a 19 percent approval rating and Cheney is MAYBE in double digits, running neck and neck with this do-nothing Congress, because they're doing NOTHING, Yank! The people can see the writing on the wall, whether or not they'll admit it to your face. They know what needs to be done. Dems impeach, they win big. Period. Guaranteed. If they continue to do nothing, they might as well just hand the White House Keys to McCain right now. Because if this is the case, it will be close, which will make it easy for the cons to steal another one, which is PRECISELY their plan.

If Mr. Conyers can't handle the burden, he should get the hell out of Washington. We don't need any wussies doing the peoples' business. I don't care how long he's been there or how much he's accomplished. He's throwing it all away by sitting on his hands while Bushco destroys our republic.

There is not enough shame to go around for these cowardly democrats. Conyers needs to act NOW or step aside for someone with a spine.

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That IS their plan John.

Keep liberals in check with their "hope" while they prep the next invasion, then blame the dems loss in Nov. on a fractured dem front.

The numbers you site as above as well as the history of elections after impeachment attempts, all prove Conyers official excuse to be dead wrong.

They are counting on people not doing their homework. They are counting on people to keep their head in the sand.

Yes, impeachment is the only way the dems stand a chance, and most of us are fighting it tooth and nail.

It's quite impressive when you think about it. How could this administration POSSIBLY get away with near genicide in Iraq and the loss of so many of our fine soldiers? On the basis of known LIES? Just so their buddies and Halliburton could make BILLIONS? All this we know. And yet, the very people who should be screaming for impeachment are working diligently to keep it from happening.

It's just simply, diabolically brilliant.

Hardly compelling... just plain ludacris

Yank, you and I see more eye to eye than most people seem to on this blog, but that's ridiculous. There can be no justifiable reason for an elected official to forgo their oath of office and refuse to hold the administration accountable.

Would not failure to act according to the Constitution, in stopping abuses of exectutive power, make him just a sutable for impeachment and removal from office?

How then does the Congress prevent future presidents from even more aggregious acts of executive overstepping by claiming the precedent set by this Congress' failure to act?

When, ever in history, has a political party lost seats in the senate, house, or the presidency after it carried through with impeachment?

That's right.

"Would not failure to act according to the Constitution, in stopping abuses of exectutive power, make him just a sutable for impeachment and removal from office?" That's right.

And why would ANYONE want to take office knowing it was at the cost of allowing this murderous regime to go free?

Who would want to "win" that way?

I wrote in that open letter to Obama, that by stepping forward now to call for impeachment himself, he would be showing GREAT leadership.

It would put him WAY out in front of Hillary...

And... it is the RIGHT thing to do. His nomintion would be set in stone. and when Cheney resigns, Obama would be a shoe in for the Presidency.

Because it would take courage, and it is the right thing to do.

As a matter of fact...

If I were an Obama supporter, I might be concerned that Hillary's people would come up with that idea first. God knows she doesn't give a crap about the constitution, but she is smart, and desperate right now to do ANYTHING that puts her in the driver's seat.

I wouldn't put it past her.

Right on , willy !

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You know best , willy

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Yank. You asked me to Leave you alone and I have...

Please extend me the same consideration and quit spamming my comments with your McCain/Lieberman 08 tag. You KNOW I do not support McCain.

Spot on, willy

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It would be ridiculous, if McCain were not running for president

I agree, skye, it would be ridiculous under "normal" circumstances. However, I have never seen such abnormal conditions in America in my years on earth. Conyers is not as flaky and partisan as many think, remember the man worked very hard on the Constitution in Crisis documents, getting Downing Street Memos outted with David Swanson before it was cool , even did a cameo on Fahrenheit 9/11 to get the word out about the Patriot Act and Constitution . Conyers helped push Nixon to resignation in 1974. This man is not wasting a 40 year career just to see McCain get in the Oval Office, because we can kiss this country AND the Constitution good-bye then. I don't think most Americans know how evil and powerful McCain really is, in both the political and military arenas. Conyers knows how dangerous McCain and Lieberman truly are, they have numerous havens of warmongering networks and connections with Military Industrial Complex, he's no fool. He is looking at the bigger picture. ...This IS Conyers way of defending the Constitution and saving the country. This decision is squarely on his shoulders, Conyers has to decide if its going to work or not, for THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY, not just for pie in the sky. Does anyone here honestly think Chairman John Conyers of the Judiciary Committee is taking this impeachment decision lightly? If these thoughts have crossed my teeny-weeny little brain, then surely the master of impeachment has had these thoughts as well.

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Conyers is CLUELESS about McCain

The proof is in his failure to initiate impeachment against the single most impeachable president in the history of presidents. I'm telling you yank, the man has either been bought or threatened. Perhaps not with the loss of his life, but almost certainly with the loss of his chairmanship.

There is no other possible reason for the guy who literally wrote the damn book on the overwhelming case for impeaching Bush to suddenly turn tail and start kissing Nancy ass.

Something else David mentions all the time:

You want to make it as hard as possible for McCain to win the White House?

Force him to explain his support of the most corrupt presidential administration this country has ever seen by launching an impeachment investigation.

"This man is not wasting a 40 year career just to see McCain get in the Oval Office, because we can kiss this country AND the Constitution good-bye then."

I'm really sorry yank, but that makes ZERO sense.

Conyers is kissing the Constitution goodbye NOW by refusing to honor it!

If he really knows how dangerous McCain is, why in the WORLD is he enabling the very scenario that WILL allow McCain to waltz into the White House with his eyes closed?

John Conyers is playing partisan politics while our republic burns. This is beyond unacceptable. It's treasonous.

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John, Conyers was on the Committee to impeach Nixon

as a result we got a Republican as president, THE FIRST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY THAT WAS NEVER ELECTED, namely Gerald Ford. I don't have to give you a history lesson, you remember. Nobody was scared of Gerald Ford at the time , in fact most people liked him. It was 1974 , the draft was over, Nixon was OUT of the White House, and an UNelected Republican was sitting in the Oval Office. The chances were that he might win in 1976 too, until he pardoned Nixon. But Americans were SOOOOO relieved Nixon was out and Ford was in, EVEN though he was unelected and a Republican. And Democrats went ahead with impeachment hearings anyways back then , until Nixon resigned.

"...The proof is in his failure to initiate impeachment against the single most impeachable president in the history of presidents. I'm telling you yank, the man has either been bought or threatened. Perhaps not with the loss of his life, but almost certainly with the loss of his chairmanship.

There is no other possible reason for the guy who literally wrote the damn book on the overwhelming case for impeaching Bush to suddenly turn tail and start kissing Nancy ass.... "

Yes there is , there is a "compelling" reason, and its not personal. Do you really think Conyers is that shallow? He is scared to death for this country, you can see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice every time he talks. He is 81 years old, NOTHING can happen to him to scare him personally. If they threatened his family, he would've resigned "for personal reasons". Conyers is thinking of America. John Conyers said so on the Youtube , he spelled it out, he is afraid Republicans will use impeachment, if it fails (because he would HAVE to impeach BOTH Bush & Cheney) as a means to turn the American people against the Democrat Party before the election. Do you think the Republicans are not capable of fooling the American people??? The Neocons hijacked the GOP Party, did you already forget 2000 & 2004 so quickly?

LISTEN TO CONYERS HIMSELF , NOT ME:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkBuQfZfFo

Conyers also said at the end impeachment is NOT off the table . Tread softly!

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Yank, once again, makes an inaccurate statement...

"as a result we got a Republican as president, THE FIRST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY THAT WAS NEVER ELECTED, namely Gerald Ford."

and what do you think happened when Kennedy was shot? Lincoln? How about the other President who was Impeached.

And we "got a Republican as President" because they saw fit to honor the fact that Nixon was a republican to make sure it wasn't partisan looking, when Nixon RESIGNED BEFORE HE COULD BE IMPEACHED.

This "misstatement" of yours, combined with your claims that "Obama voted against the war" and "McCain was an architect of the Iraq War" makes me wonder if you really think these things though before posting them.

Vote McCain, willy, find out how "UNelected" Lieberman is

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John, Conyers was on the

John, Conyers was on the Committee to impeach Nixon
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as a result we got a Republican as president, THE FIRST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY THAT WAS NEVER ELECTED, namely Gerald Ford.
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Let's play guess who pesky gnat not really worth replying to anymore.

If bush and cheney BOTH are impeached guess who becomes president...Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Forget about that did ya or did you even know it.

The political party I belong to is the entire body politic of the United States of America and our Constitution that I support without bias which neither states or implies any allegiance with any other socalled organized political party.

You're right...

I slipped when I read that "first time in history" comment. Let the troll ramble on. First rule: ignore them.

You're right, Indy & Willy, and guess who TABLED impeachment ?

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Pelosi tabled impeachment

Pelosi tabled impeachment and all but 21 democrats in the house went right along with it... but tell me what that has to do with with impeachment proceedings that can be brought forward by ANY member of the house and how would that impede Pelosi from becoming president if the Democrats went forward with impeachment and ousted those two neocon rats.

But nobody even has to worry about impeachment now, the DUMMYCRUDS blew their chances in January last year as soon as they took majority back and chose that traitorous California wuss Pelosi as speaker...even if Pelosi's constituants managed to muster the guts to recall her and a new house speaker was chosen, by the time anything in the impeachment direction got started at this late date both cheney and bush will be sipping Pina Colada's and counting their ill gotten billions on a sunny beach laughing their asses off at this entire population of politically ignorant fools they sucked in with their skullduggery.

The political party I belong to is the entire body politic of the United States of America and our Constitution that I support without bias which neither states or implies any allegiance with any other socalled organized political party.

Steny Hoyer, friend of Pelosi, submitted "table" motion...

Then, as Indy correctly mentions, and only 21 House democrats voted to keep it alive.

But it WAS NOT TABLED because the motion was defeated when the republicans started switching their vote.

So, to answer the question, It was not tabled, but the Democrats sure tried to.

You're so right , Indy & Willy, Dumbocrats SUCK !

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You're right, Indy, I trust you more than Conyers!

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While Conyers "treads softly"....

...betrayed American troops and innocent civilians continue to die for Bushco's lies, and our Constitution continues to burn.

And every ounce of blood that spills while Conyers does NOTHING to stop the carnage is on his hands too.

How much innocent death is acceptable, yank?

You obviously don't get it. That's pretty sad. I've explained to you in this very thread exactly how Conyers is playing Bushco's game to their exact specifications, and all you can do is say how he's a sweet old man who is afraid repugs will spin impeachment in their favor, which is why he's doing NOTHING.

You're not examining ALL the possibilities. You're not thinking critically. You're crossing your fingers and hoping everything's going to be okay, which is precisely the attiude that has us where we are right now in this country. You are cognitive dissonance personified, yank. Get with it.

It is not possible for Conyers to prevent the scenario you claim not to want ("President McCain") by doing nothing!

If the man really is "thinking of America", as you say, he'll stand up, tell Nancy where to shove her gavel and start the process of impeachment.

What he says on YouTube or anywhere else doesn't matter. It's action that counts. And it needs to start happening NOW.

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That's a good point John...

in fact, when you think about it, what Conyers is saying, in effect, is that the lives of all those soldiers and Iraqis and Iranians are worth "sacraficing" to get Obama in the White House.

That is pretty damn sick, if you ask me.

That's what YOU said, willy, not Conyers.

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Do you really believe Conyers doesn't "get it"?

John Conyers is , dare I say , THE ARCHITECT , of impeachment for the Bush/Cheney cabal. How could he possibly not "get it"? Conyers is THE DECIDER too, he made this clear when he said "I'm the Chairman". So here we have it , John Conyers is the architect and the decider about Bush/Cheney impeachment. Not only that , Chairman Conyers is EXPERIENCED at impeachment, more than any other according to him.

Do you still think Conyers doesn't "get it"? If yes, what about impeaching Bush and Cheney is John Conyers simply "not getting"? ( Not me, JOHN CONYERS).

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United We Dems Stand..Divided We..? (Part Two) By Jeff Morris

The Super Delegates overturning the will of the Democratic voters is the only chance Sen Clinton has of securing the nomination. The Super Delegates now moving towards Obama means Hillary is in big trouble. It's almost mathematically impossible for Clinton to catch Obama in pledged delegates now. The question now is how much damage is Sen Clinton willing to do to Obama in the Nov. general election?

Saying Republican nominee John McCain and herself pass the Commander in Chief test, but Obama doesn't? Maybe Hillary should consider asking Sen McSame if he would be interested in being her running mate. Their agendas seem to have things in common these days. If you had any doubt as to what drives Team Clinton, you shouldn't any more. Hillary is proving that what's most important to her is not a Democrat winning back the White House in 08, but rather her life long dream of becoming the first woman President of the U.S.

It's time for Hillary to take one for the team, and get out of a race she can longer win. You had a twenty plus point lead in the polls for so many months Hillary. Your campaign staff blew it with no post Feb. 5th strategy allowing Obama to win eleven straight states.

I know there will be Hillary supporters out there who don't like what I have to say here. But not liking what I'm saying doesn't make what I'm saying any less true. Win at any cost! That's the creed of a sinking team Clinton these days. Unfortunately any cost just might mean four more years of continued Bush failed policy both at home and abroad under a 72 year old Pres John McBu$h, who doesn't seem to understand the difference between the Sunni and Shia in Iraq.

Not understanding the over 1300 year feud between the Sunni and Shia in Iraq was at the core of the Bush administration failure in Iraq. You wont solve a problem until you understand what the problem is.

As we enter year six of this endless disaster in Iraq, the will of the American people continues to be ignored.
Jeff Morris-Saugerties, N.Y.- DeJaVu57

Last time, Yank. HERE is what Conyers AND you don't get:

It's not enough to just TALK about impeachment, just like it's not enough to just stand there while the fire hose lays on the ground and say something like "I'm the most experienced firefighter! I just might have to put that fire out!"

The words are worthless without the action.

Willy is exactly right when he says:
"what Conyers is saying, in effect,(my emphasis) is that the lives of all those soldiers and Iraqis and Iranians are worth "sacraficing" to get Obama in the White House."

It doesn't matter that Conyers did not actually speak those words. His failure to act says it all. He is ignoring his oath and failing the American people, and this is what history will show unless he grows a spine and starts doing his job.

I'm done with this thread. Continue on with your childish sarcasm, yank.

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Conyers is not ignoring his oath to the Constitution

Conyers' oath is to THE CONSTITUTION, NOT to Impeachment. Impeachment is a judgement call, not an 'oath'. There is NOTHING in the Constitution, to my knowledge, that forces John Conyers to begin impeachment proceedings on anyone. If you can find the definitive line in the Constitution that John Conyers MUST impeach or else, please print it here.

John Conyers has made it CLEAR that he has "compelling reasons" for not pursuing Impeachment at this time. There was nothing childish and sarcastic in his tone, demeanor, and delivery of that message. On the contrary, he was quite serious and sullen about it.

Conyers made it clear in the video that there of course would have to be TWO impeachments , if it were to work. I have no reason to believe John Conyers is lying about "compelling reasons" and his fear that Republican Party will use a failed impeachment process to rob us of another General Election. This is a tangible fear, we have seen it ourselves, lest ye forget! John Conyers is heavily burdened by this , and has to weigh the pros and cons, not you or I or anyone else. He is in a damned if you do and damned if you don't pickle.

Otherwise, you think John Conyers is just a really good man who turned into a really bad man overnite? If that scenario makes sense to you, then stand by it. But I don't believe the situation is that simple for John Conyers.

This is not a child's game by any stretch of the imagination , and Conyers sees that firsthand everyday.

I guarantee you that insulting Conyers' intelligence and intentions will get us nowhere with impeachment. Yes, I do want it badly too.

Tread softly.

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Congress' oath

Members of Congress take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution not to get their party elected.
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What is the line in the Constitution that says he MUST impeach?

I really do not believe John Conyers is that shallow. I do not think he wants to see his Party get elected, I think he wants to see the Republicans OUT of the Oval Office. That may sound like the same thing, but really it's not. John Conyers had no problem with Impeachment Hearings that led to Nixon's resignation, and REPUBLICAN Gerald Ford going to the Oval Office in 1974. Actually, the American people had no problem with that, we were just glad Nixon was OUT of the Oval Office. That was a different time and place. This Neocon cabal is a more dangerous situation now. I think John Conyers is afraid that any mis-step by HIMSELF will change the course of history, for better or worse. I think he is too afraid to find out which one it will be.

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Though I know Yank will not care about this. This is the "line".

Article 2, Section 4. US Constitution.

states:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

It DOES NOT SAY if the House Judiciary Chair FEELS it's ok!

It DOES NOT SAY as long as it doesn't cost Obama his presidency...

It DOES SAY they "shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of,...high crimes and misdemeanors"

NO waffling. No guessing! No crying!

"SHALL BE removed from office".

We all admit there have been "high crimes" committed, and possibly treason and certainly bribery.

"SHALL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE"

So wrong willy, Re-read it:"..SHALL BE REMOVED from Office ..."

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"Shall be removed from office ON IMPEACHMENT...", Yank.

That's what the consitution says, and that is what I quoted.

Once again, half truths and misinfo on your part.

You ASKED for the LINE. There it IS. Don't you even have the decency to yield that much?

Or is your obsession with "Party" so complete you can't even acknowlege it's in the constitution when it stares you right in the face?

Willy, legal emphasis is on removal , NOT impeach & convict

You're arrogance blinds you & slanders the Constitution , and me .
I am not for love of party, I am for unification to save OUR NATION from the Neocons. Your stubbornness and meanness are divisive, and prohibits unification. You are falling right into the hands of the Neocons "divide and conquer" modus operandi. You would rather throw the baby out with the bathwater, instead of making lemonade out of lemons. You don't provide solutions , in fact you actively sabotage others efforts, since you simply pretend that November does not exist at all . That is your choice, but that is not reality. You are just angry because I won't follow your hopeless path.

Constitution says "SHALL BE REMOVED on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, ... " Clearly this means that anyone who is impeached and convicted MUST be removed from office. In other words, the Constitution is mandating what the SENTENCE shall be: there can be NO impeached AND convicted president sitting in the Oval Office. He/she "SHALL BE REMOVED on impeachment ...". If they have to hogtie him/her, the impeached/convicted self-imposed king/queen "SHALL BE REMOVED" from office. The mandate is on the REMOVAL upon impeachment & conviction, NOTHING mandates that Congress "SHALL " impeach and convict.

Impeachment is a JUDGEMENT CALL, if you call any Congressperson's office, especially Chairman Conyers, they will say the same thing. Try calling and verifying yourself next time, before making assumptions.

MCCAIN/LEIBERMAN '08 !

That's right Yank; I am an undercover Neo-Con plant...

... or I am too stupid to understand the "bigger picture" as you put it.

But take a look around here, Yank.

Tell me how many of us think we should wait for Omaba to save us from the big bad republicans.

Tell me how many people in this site think we should hold off on impeachment like Conyers thinks, so that Obama stands a better chance in Nov.

Tell yourself whatever you need to to justify your blind faith.

the facts are there, the history is there the oath of office is there and the crimes are there. Deny all you want. I want accountability FOR ALL. Not just an election "victory" for one.

I might not "get it", but Conyers is the one in the hotseat

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC>"OUT" ANTI-AMERICAN CABALS!

WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Find a way to make him impeach , please just find a way

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC>"OUT" ANTI-AMERICAN CABALS!

WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

We know that Cheney and Bush

We know that Cheney and Bush have been conducting illegal domestic espionage against Americans since early 2001. We also know that 2.3 trillion dollars mysteriously "disappeared" from the US Treasury. What if members of Congress have been spied upon and that 2.3 trillion dollars is being used as blackmail/extortion money? This could explain Conyer's and nearly 400 House members' bizarre behavior with regards to impeachment investigations. Whatever skeletons may be in their closets (including the Nixon/Bush Sr "Cuban affair") would certainly pale in comparison to the wretched evils of Cheney and Bush. I suspect that most American Patriots would even be willing to grant them immunity in return for doing the right thing. Constitutional duty. I would.

I'm convinced that the neocruds are capable of anything, including another election fraud, Iran holocaust and a "9/11" type staged event.

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