Remembering Russert: What media eulogies remember--and forget
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3462
NBC's Meet the Press anchor and Washington bureau chief Tim Russert died of a heart attack on June 13. The outpouring from media and political elites only underscored Russert's status as one of most important figures in mainstream journalism. But amidst all of the accolades, critical assessments about Russert's record were scarce.
It would be difficult to imagine anyone more admired by fellow journalists. "He was the preeminent political journalist in America," declared pundit Al Hunt (6/15/08). "He was an American character right from Mark Twain," offered NBC colleague Chris Matthews (6/15/08). "He had an authority and insight in covering politics that the rest of us could only aspire to," remarked Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace (6/15/08).
Many of the tributes celebrated Russert's preparation for his Sunday morning interviews, the kind of performances that earned Russert his reputation as a particularly tough interviewer. "Tim Russert always did his homework," explained NBC's David Gregory. "He was always prepared for interviews." NBC producer Betsy Fischer agreed (6/15/08): "He would spend all week preparing for this show, reading everything."
Aside from the fact that this is somewhat unusual praise--shouldn't all journalists prepare for interviews?--Russert's supposedly aggressively posture was at times put to rather dubious ends. When Barack Obama appeared on Meet the Press (1/22/06), Russert grilled him about comments made by left-wing actor and entertainer Harry Belafonte: "I refer you to some comments that Harry Belafonte made yesterday. He said that Homeland Security had become the new Gestapo. What do you think of that?"
Russert followed up on the issue, despite the fact that the only apparent connection between the two men was the fact they were both black. When Russert moderated a debate between Obama and Hillary Clinton (2/26/08), he asked Obama about Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, despite the fact that the two had no discernable ties. Years earlier, Russert quizzed civil rights activist Al Sharpton about Farrakhan's views, telling him (8/25/00), "A leader in black America has said that Saddam Hussein is no more terrible than the president of the United States."
And Russert's tenacious interviewing style would alternate with a much more deferential one--depending on who was being interviewed. Surprisingly, some of Russert's journalistic colleagues praised him for being tough on the Bush administration over the Iraq War. CBS Evening News correspondent Anthony Mason said (6/13/08), "In 2003, as the United States prepared to go to war in Iraq, Russert pressed Vice President Dick Cheney about White House assumptions."
In reality, Meet the Press was the venue for some of the White House's most audacious lies about the Iraq War--most of which went unchallenged by Russert. On the morning that the New York Times published a front-page article falsely touting the now-famous "aluminum tubes" as components of an alleged Iraqi nuclear weapons program, Vice President Dick Cheney appeared on Meet the Press (9/8/02), where Russert pursued open-ended questions that seemed to invite spin from the vice president on Iraqi nuclear weapons.
Recalling such softball questioning, it's easy to believe the advice that Cheney press aide Cathie Martin says she gave when the Bush administration had to respond to charges that it manipulated pre-Iraq War intelligence: "I suggested we put the vice president on Meet the Press, which was a tactic we often used," she said (Salon, 1/26/07). "It's our best format."
In Bill Moyers' documentary "Buying the War" (PBS, 4/25/07), Russert expressed the wish that dissenting sources would have contacted him: "My concern was, is that there were concerns expressed by other government officials. And to this day, I wish my phone had rung, or I had access to them." Of course, any journalist could have found such sources--and certainly few critics of the war would have passed up an opportunity to air their views on such a prominent media platform.
As David Folkenflik pointed out in the Baltimore Sun (5/19/04), Russert seemed to think the media were merely following public opinion in the run up to the war:
"I don't think the public was, at that time, particularly receptive to hearing it," Russert says. "Back in October of 2002, when there was a debate in Congress about the war in Iraq--three-fourths of both houses of Congress voted with the president to go. Those in favor were so dominant. We don't make up the facts. We cover the facts as they were."
Folkenflik commented:
Russert's remarks would suggest a form of journalism that does not raise the insolent question from outside polite political discourse--so, if an administration's political foes aren't making an opposing case, it's unlikely to get made. In the words of one of my former editors, journalists can read the polls just like anybody else.
Indeed, the reticence to actually render judgment on those in power--particularly the Bush White House--was what many critics found so frustrating, especially coming from someone who enjoyed a reputation as a dogged interviewer. When author and comedian Al Franken appeared on Russert's CNBC show on April 1, 2006, the two got into a disagreement about the White House's oft-repeated claim that Congress had access to the same intelligence about Iraq's WMDs as the White House. Franken's point was that the president receives a daily briefing that Congress does not receive, so the claim is false. As Franken put it, "So what the president's saying isn't true, isn't that right, Tim?" Russert would only say, "I'll leave that for you to make a judgment."
Russert was not always so restrained about making judgments. He made a strange observation about Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry on October 31, 2004:
But is it inconsistent for John Kerry to be criticizing the missing weapons of mass destruction when, if he had been president of the United States, Saddam may be in power with all those potential biological, chemical weapons or munitions, however you want to describe them?
It's not clear what Russert meant, since Iraq did not have such weapons.
In some of the presidential debates he moderated, Russert often gravitated towards questions that were either irrelevant or framed from a right-wing political view. In one debate (9/26/07), he challenged the Democratic contenders to match Rudolph Giuliani's pledge that he would not permit Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. When Barack Obama suggested that talking about attacking Iran was "irresponsible," Russert responded: "So you would not offer a promise to the American people, like Giuliani, that Iran will not be able to develop and become a nuclear power?"
In the same debate, he asked Hillary Clinton if she would support an Israeli attack on Iran. When Clinton suggested this was a hypothetical, Russert interrupted with a curious non-sequitor: "It's not a hypothetical, Senator. It's real life." At a later debate (2/26/08), Russert asked Clinton about her proposal to withdraw troops from Iraq: "If this scenario plays out and the Americans get out in total and Al-Qaeda resurges and Iraq goes to hell, do you hold the right, in your mind, as American president, to re-invade, to go back into Iraq to stabilize it?" When Clinton responded by saying, "You know, Tim, you ask a lot of hypotheticals," Russert interrupted: "But this is reality."
One of Russert's signature issues was the so-called Social Security "crisis," a line he pushed relentlessly over the last decade or so. NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell credited Russert (6/15/08) for bringing the issue to prominence by "defining what is the political issue. Nobody talked about entitlements. Nobody talked about Social Security and Medicare and balancing budgets on television on Sunday morning until Tim, with the facts and the experience that he had learned at the feet of Daniel Patrick Moynihan of the Finance Committee of the Senate."
As moderator of two of the Democratic debates (9/26/07, 10/30/07), Russert was particularly aggressive in questioning the candidates about Social Security's finances. In a November 5, 2007 MSNBC appearance discussing the debates, Russert said, "Everyone knows Social Security, as it's constructed, is not going to be in the same place it's going to be for the next generation--Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives."
Actually, as many economists have pointed out, the Social Security Administration projects that it will be able to pay full benefits to retirees for almost the next three decades. And just a few weeks before Russert made his statement, he interviewed former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan (9/23/07). When Russert asked him "how big a crisis" the country faced in paying for Social Security and Medicare, Greenspan told him: "Social Security is not a big crisis. We're approximately 2 percentage points of payroll short over the very long run. It's a significant closing of the gap, but it's doable, and doable in any number of ways."
Despite the perception that Russert excelled at holding the powerful to account, in reality Russert was among the most powerful members of the political-journalistic establishment in Washington. His insider status was reinforced during the trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, when Russert was forced to testify about his contacts with high-level Bush administration figures and discussions about Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson.
As Tim Rutten wrote in one of the few critical commentaries about Russert (L.A. Times, 6/14/08), "Like former New York Times reporter Judith Miller, Russert was one of the high-level Washington journalists who came out of the Libby trial looking worse than shabby." Rutten recounted that while Russert and NBC had publicly argued that these conversations were journalistic privilege, "it emerged under examination, however, Russert already had sung like a choirboy to the FBI concerning his conversation with Libby--and had so voluntarily from the first moment the Feds contacted him. All the litigation was for the sake of image and because the journalistic conventions required it."
Russert was, by almost every account, a warm and compassionate friend and mentor to many reporters, at NBC and elsewhere. The real question for citizens, though, is whether Russert performed as an aggressive and independent watchdog. Even some of his admirers explained that this was not the point. The Washington Post's David Broder explained (6/14/08), "His questioning was completely efficient but never officious. Both the viewers and the guests could tell he really liked the newsmakers he was interviewing."
"He respected politicians," right-wing pundit Mary Matalin explained (Meet the Press, 6/15/08). "He knew that they got blamed for everything, got credit for nothing. He knew how much they meant. He never treated them with the cynicism that attends some of these interviews. So they had a place to be loved. "
ABC's Sam Donaldson weighed in with one of the most revealing comments (This Week, 6/15/08): "He understood as well as anyone, maybe better than almost anyone, that the reason political reporters are there is not to speak truth to power. Today's truth is tomorrow's falsity. But to make those who say we have the truth-- the politicians--explain it. Defend it, explain to the American public where they're going and not pull your punches."
Asked about the failure to more aggressively challenge the White House on Iraq, Russert once explained (3/21/06):
Well, you know, there's really no alternative. There are a lot of people on the far right or the far left who want someone in my situation to yell and scream or lean over and choke somebody or slap them around and a lot of histrionics, but you really don't achieve anything because you make your guest immediately sympathetic, and I much prefer just to try to steady as you go, draw people out.
He added that the White House claims:
were judgments, and there was no way at that time to say, 'You're wrong. How could you possibly say that? You're lying.' That's just not the style of Meet The Press, nor I think the style of good journalism, but we now have a permanent record as to the judgments believed by the Bush administration going into the war and you can look at them three years later and decide whether they were correct or not.
In fact, there are journalists who examine the claims made by politicians at the time that they make them, and some of them were doing just that with the assertions Bush administration officials used to justify the invasion of Iraq (Extra!, 3-4/06). Had a journalist with the prominence of Tim Russert done so, it's possible that the debate could have had an entirely different outcome.


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just wish he would have mentioned the sickening UFO question of Kucinich in the presidential debates and didn't Tim Russert once accept 20,000 dollars (?) for soft-balling questions to Bob Dole in some interview type forum?
Kucinich
Tim Russert's true journalistic integrity showed during an October 2007 Democratic presidential primary debate, when he asked Dennis Kucinich, Congressman from Ohio, to comment on this:
"Shirley MacLaine writes in her new book that you sighted a UFO over her home in Washington state; that you found the encounter extremely moving, that it was a triangular craft, silent and hovering, that you felt a connection to your heart and heard directions in your mind."
This was the first 'question' of the night for Congressman Kucinich, and it came, at least, a half hour into the "debate."
Dennis Kucinich was the only candidate in the debate, standing on the stage, who, among countless other things:
-opposed the Iraq war from the start,
-voted against funding the war every time,
-had a plan for not-for-profit, single-payer healthcare
-introduced articles of impeachment against the bush crime family
-would pull the US out of NAFTA immediately upon becoming president
-would set up a Department of Peace
(the list goes on...).
Yet, Tim Russert had the audacity to make his first question to our fine congressman about unidentified flying objects? Dennis Kucinich was the only candidate who couldn't be bought by any corporation or lobbying group or industry, etc... He was America's best chance at restoring the world's confidence in our country, and the most able to bring about some sort of progress to our nation.
But, Tim Russert wasn't interested in any of that. Russert was obviously just another mouthpiece for the corporate agenda (let's not forget that MSNBC/NBC is owned by General Electric -- GE is one of the biggest profiteers on the war in Iraq). One or two viewings of "Meet the Press" generally reveals that he's a puppet for the White House and their propaganda campaign.
So, go ahead and name every single street in Buffalo after him. It'll just make future Buffalo Bills losses that much sweeter to view.
Fortunately, we the people still have a choice in November.
www.votenader.org
Joe
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That is the one thing I remember about Russert
Russert worked for the corporate media and I remember that Russert question about the UFO's. May he rest in peace. He was the mouthpiece for the dogma (means $hit) we have to put up with.
EW
I never liked Tim Russert.
May he rest with all the other people who are resting as well because he did not have the balls to state the obvious that George Bush and Dick Cheney wanted to attack a country that had done no harm to the USA. How many babies have died my dear pro-lifers? How many unborn babies will be deformed or sicken by the DU your pro-life president spreads around the world? At the rate these people are going we'll all be resting soon.
The earth will remain and could well be better off without us. But it is sad.
4Peace
Sarcasm about "dear pro-lifers" duly noted.
We can only assume that you are pro-abortion with such sarcastic remarks about "pro-life". If anyone advocates baby-killing, it is certainly NOT Tim Russert, may he Rest in Peace with ALL God's children murdered due to violence, both born and unborn.
You condemn Russert for not owning a crystal ball in 2002 regarding wmd scam, and yet abortion clinics (really, abortatoriums) know IN ADVANCE that they are ending human life by violent means, but that does not phase you one bit???
What was Russert supposed to do, throw his body in front of invading tanks into Iraq? Nothing one man could have said or done would have stopped the illegal invasion. Of course, abortion protestors will block abortion clinics even risking arrest, but I bet you condemn the pro-lifers for that!
Sounds like you have an axe to grind with people who want to save ALL God's children, not just your "choices".
Human Life is a Human RIGHT!
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Pro-life Warmongers. HIPOCRICY?
Yank:
This time I agree with 4Peace.
It is PURE HIPOCRICY of those so called PRO-LIFE warmongers FASCIST-NEOCON-MAFIA that at the same time THEY ARE murdering SO FAR more than a million people including their own people.
Perhaps TIM RUSSERT was a good guy BUT he DID NOT do a good job as a reporter. He deserves rest in peace, but also those who died by the hands of PRO-LIFE WORMONGERS now in power, that he INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY helped.
By the way i am also PRO-CHOICE (NOT PRO ABORTION).
Chris Matthews says it better than me,
Tim was "everyman" , and Bush/Cheney used him, and sold to the Patriot inside him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOzGA40o1DI
Considering that Tim Russert was basing his reporting on false information that BUSH/CHENEY CABAL generated and supplied and sold to even the UN in 2002, I have no reason to forgive someone who is the victim of a horrible scam, as was I, because Tim didn't do anything WRONG . Chris Matthews says it better than me.
Tim Russert made his cause to "out" the Neocons after they were found out. Why aren't these Youtubes of Tim Russert being posted ? :
Russert gives Cheney the low down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8tXOID45Qw
This constant mis-use of scapegoatism is not a strategy the Impeachment Movement should be using, as using scapegoats POST-MORTEM is even more DETRIMENTAL to the Impeachment Movement.
Even THIS website did not exist in 2002, so NOONE owns a real crystal ball, and to my knowledge seeing in the future and reading minds are SCAMS , just as "PRO-CHOICE" is a SCAM. Choosing to murder innocent life for no medical/rape trauma reason is simply MURDER BY CHOICE.
PRO-CHOICE IS PRO-DEATH and just another DEATH SCAM for money. Choosing lies is NOT Human Rights.
It's sickening for the tired old euphimism that "choice" is still being used to "cleanse" the murder of innocents, and revolting that you would try to "slip" it by us on a NON-VIOLENT PEACE SITE, of all places!
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Tim Russert. A good Reporter?
Tim and Meet the Press was considered as a White House Puppet-Ally. THAT'S WHY DICK WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
He is almost Kissing DICK THE EVIL in this interview you linked to.
That WAS NOT the way he treated McClellan or Ralph Nader o others where he was PRETTY AGRESSIVE and RUDE.
Probably he received orders from his Boss at MSNBC about whom to treat good or bad, soft or rude.
This kind of reporter will always be Side by Side with the POWER not with the reason.
Yank:
You will never convince me that an adult woman should not have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE whether or not to grow in HER OWN BELLY her OWN CHILD.
You consider an EMBRIO as a human being for me, it is just and EMBRIO without any kind of thinking or mind. SORRY!
It amazes me how misconstrued that this is on both counts
1) Calling Cheney out on his major lies about Atta , Al Qaeda, 9/11 is hardly climbing in bed with Dick (politically speaking), and Russert came across very firm on that. There is protocol when it comes to interviewing Heads of State , journalists can't exactly start yelling and call someone an outright liar when they have Secret Servicemen standing just feet away off camera. But its pretty obvious that Tim WAS calling Dick Cheney a liar , you do not have to read THAT MUCH in between the lines to see that clearly. Google "Cheney Atta" , and you will see how bad a liar heartless Cheney really is on this Youtube.
2) Either you are not a Mom, or you have never studied basic Human Biology 101. Mothers know they are pregnant as soon as they miss their first period, and start feeling "butterflies" soon after that. Then after that there is NO doubt there is a HUMAN BABY growing inside the WOMB (not belly, a human baby is not a piece of digested pizza). Having given birth to a son with disability over two decades ago, I find it unconscionable that you find human life so expendable and disposable. If there's noone there, then why abort it? Sorry, the only basis for the "pro-choice" argument is about the privilege to choose to kill a particular set of human beings, NOT about human rights for all.
Why are you on a NON-VIOLENT PEACE site , if the most innocent of human life means nothing to you, and why is your handle JLennon? I don't understand from where you are deriving your thought processes , where do you get these ideas that HUMAN LIFE is "not" HUMAN, and why you are here in the first place if you have those kind of non-peaceful thoughts about HUMAN BEINGS?
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You won!
Yank:
You WON!
1- TIM RUSSERT was the BEST.
Tomorrow they will find another that will do EXAATTTTLY as he did at probably half PRICE!
2- The WOMAN should NOT have the right to choose.
It is god's right or perhaps the Government’s.
Desperate PREGNATED woman better commit suicide.
Please Yank:
Don't accuse me here of being violent, terrorist or even Anti American for just being PRO-CHOICE!
Nobody wins in Dark Ages-alchemy, prochoice, flatearth, slander
1) Tim Russert was like the rest of us, he believed his President was telling the truth in 2002. Only you are perfect, and could predict the future too! Even the fact that Tim Russert's testimony helped indict Scooter Libby isn't even good enuf for you, then nothing is. What is the purpose of making a scapegoat out of a deceased news reporter that can no longer speak for himself? Too chicken to slander LIVE people???
2) Women have all kinds of choices before pregnancy that is not life-threatening or caused by rape. And women have the healthier option of adoption (healthier for MOM's body and hormones too!) I've known of two women in my life who were suicidal due to after effects of "legal" abortions, my best friend, who had "thoughts", and my mother-in-law whom I never met, who went through with the suicide.
Jlennon, You are coming across as ignorant, unscientific, and inexperienced when it comes to Human Rights and Human Biology. Study science , and you will be Enlightened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1ti23SUSw
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WAS TIM RUSSERT A FAIR REPORTER?
YANK: let me remind you how "FAIR" was TIM RUSSERT:
Here is TIM LAUGHING ON A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, DENNIS KUCINICH:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSRWRbuMqyc
On McClellan. Was he fair?
And the list is long....
NOW that you mention HUMAN RIGHTS
What about WOMAN RIGHTS?
THIS is from WIKIPEDIA:
"6- CONCEPTS IN HUMAN RIGHTS
6.5- Reproductive rights:
Reproductive rights are a subset of human rights relating to sexual reproduction and reproductive health,[83][84][85] often held to include the right to control one's reproductive functions, such as the right to reproduce (as in opposition to compulsory sterilization and forced contraception), as well as the right to not reproduce (including support for access to birth control), the rights to privacy, medical coverage, contraception, family planning and protection from discrimination, harassment and gender-oriented harm."
I ask you please, to find me any UNESCO document that prohibit a woman right to abortion?
Please FIND ME JUST One !
I THINK WE BETTER STOP THE ABORTION ISSUE IT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IMPEACHMENT
Respectfuly JLENNON08
That UFO question, not exactly a "sin" by any standard
1) It was not fair or unfair, it was just a silly question. God help us all, Tim Russert, human being, asked a silly UFO question of our "god", Dennis Kucinich... come to think of it , you are correct, that is a MORTAL SIN, I LOVE and practically WORSHIP Dennis Kucinich!!!
2) I don't see abortion listed as a "right" in that document , anywhere. Maybe I need to replace my glasses, or maybe you need a new prescription?
3) I didn't bring up the abortion issue on this thread, and Human Life and Rights are very valid to the Peace Movement. And I get very tired of being told to shutup about it when the pro-abortionists bring it up in the first place.
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Pro-Choice/Pro Abortion -
Pro-Choice/Pro Abortion - That's semantics...there's no difference
Pro-life, pro-death and public opinion
Hi Yank,
1st -- People who support war are pro-death. It matters not how much they bellyache about the unborn. War is about killing people and many of those people are civilians. Even soldiers who are attacked in their own country are innocent. With Depleted Uranium we have move to killing and deforming babies before birth. How's that for pro-life?
2nd -- Mr. Russert must not have been in Washington, DC before the war because I attended not less than three large demonstrations opposing an attack on Iraq before it happened. Bush thought we were a focus group, but we were literally thousands of people. In February before the war there was a world-wide demonstration. Where was Russert?
And while we're at it would you please explain to me what is so much more precious about human life than any other being on this planet that we share?
4Peace
Human Life is not just "public opinion", its a scientific fact
1) First, people who support war AND/OR abortion are not JUST pro-death, they don't get off the hook that easy. People who support war AND/OR abortion are pro-MURDER. So if you pretend to care about one sector of human society out of one side of your mouth, and on the other side of your mouth you believe in the disposability/expendability of unborn human beings, then you are no better than the people that you claim you are against. In other words, you can't have it both ways, "sister". Your mockery of pro-lifers implies that you believe in pro-abortion. And I don't know where you get the idea that all pro-lifers are pro-war, is it because the Peace Movement is making pro-lifers feel alienated and uncomfortable to attend so-called Peace Rallies with all those NOW abortion signs hijacking the Peace/Anti-War Rallies? Or is it because of your snide remarks against "dear pro-lifers" that keep them away???
2) True enuf, MSM did not report the pre-war demonstrations as it should have, I have no dispute with you on this one. It is the reason why I was a mushroom in the dark prior to the war. Tim Russert is responsible for this because of WHY? He was a cog in the wheel, it's ridiculous to keep on blaming one dead reporter for corporate MSM. During the Spanish-American War, when yellow journalism was all the rage, did they blame one dead reporter for this tremendous journalistic scandal? No , history blames William Randolph Hearst, the publisher of Hearst newspaper. Put the blame where the blame belongs. The Impeachment Movement has gotten into the negative practices lately of TRANSFERENCE (please excuse psycho-babble word) and SCAPEGOATING. These negative practices will only be detrimental to our movement, and will not project to the world what we are REALLY trying to relay.
And if you TRULY believe Human Life is so "precious" , then why do the Peace/Anti-War rallies I go to always get hijacked by those NOW abortion signs? Peace Movement can't continue to have its cake and eat it too.
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Pro-abortion?
I do not know anyone who is pro-abortion. Abortion is sometimes a necessary evil. Self-defense is sometimes a necessary evil. Neither activity is pro-life.
Another thing about these so-called pro-lifers, who smile on the mass killing of millions of animals so they can eat their dead carcasses, is that they are the very ones who usually do not want to pay one thin dime for the children that they can't wait to see born. Their concern and compassion is not very deep.
4Peace
Ahh, I see, are you and your friends "pro-choicers" then?
How easy, convenient and disingenous it is to simply hide behind a euphimism that really stands for premature death & mass murder of the innocents. If abortion is just a "necessary evil" in America, why did Roe v Wade turn abortion into the NORM , making abortion the rule , NOT the exception. Abortion is an everyday practice , and quite the money making machine, in America. Do you protest the Abortion Industry? Now you are just playing word games, when real lives are at stake. If you are REALLY not pro-abortion , then why are you so callous against pro-lifers who do protest abortatoriums ?
I just saw 12 names released by the Pentagon on "This Week with George Stephanopolous". If these young soldiers had been aborted instead of dying in war, there would be no protests by these so called "pro-choice peace activists" . You can't be "pro-choice" for the murder of one sector of human society, and pro-peace for the protection of human rights of another.
Hypocrisy is a double-edged sword, and "pro-choicers" wield it all the time.
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I'm not pro-choice.
I'm pro-thinking. I'm pro-making informed decisions that are right for all the parties concerned. Not making an appearance in this world is not the worst thing that could happen to a living being.
But if you wish to protest abortion clinics, feel free. If you wish to sign women up for a free college education, food clothing and shelter for their unborn kids, feel free. Maybe some women don't want an abortion as much as they want a good life for their child or no life at all. It's not black and white.
Dropping bombs on people's homes, torture and stealing other people's land and opportunities is evil no matter who does it. Let's agree to disagree (a biblical concept) on this one.
4Peace
"Pro-thinkers" do NOT lie about what abortion does to human life
4Peace quote : "Not making an appearance in this world is not the worst thing that could happen to a living being." This is all abortion is to you ? You falsely insinuate that abortion is an act initiated by the unborn child his/herself, by simply "not making an appearance" !? Abortion is a VIOLENT ACT on an unborn baby, and my dear pro-choicer, it is by far the WORST and most VIOLENT way for a human being to arrive into this world.
Unborn babies are at rest growing PEACEFULLY in their mothers, until abortionist INTRUDES like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX7goxsip6Y
Aborted humans DO show up, dear pro-choicer, and they arrive after a VIOLENT abortion, looking like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBOAPleF1t0
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/medical/suctionweb.jpg
If HUMAN LIFE is not black and white to you, then why are you on a Peace Site? Obviously you can "think" your way into violent non-peaceful acts , as long as its YOUR CHOICE (not a medical emergency or rape trauma, but simply YOUR CHOICE). Why would anyone in the Peace Movement genuinely "think" that VIOLENT ABORTION is the way to go, over PEACEFUL ADOPTION? That is the ultimate hypocrisy, for you are picking and CHOOSING which humans should live, and which should be disposable.
Agree to disagree? I think not, my dear pro-choicer. That's just another way to SILENCE the innocents who cannot speak for themselves IN AMERICA, for over 35 years now. You opened this can of worms all by yourself, dear pro-choicer. Now you are anxious to close the Pandora's Box , because you don't want anyone to look in and SEE the truth for what it really is.
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Spinning threads off topic for as long as possible is their plan
Of course she won't just agree to disagree, Peace. Go back and look at threads with Indy and Yank. They will both do everything they can to spin discussions off topic for as long as possible. In this case, posting moronic videos from the "pro-lifers" about aborted fetuses (why do these people continuosly carry around vile photos of aborted fetuses? I love it when they use their children as pawns on Saturdays to hold up the pictures while the kids themselves have these horrified expressions of their faces. As if to say "why are you using me like this?").
The point is, she will continue to drag this thread off topic; when the thread is about what a tool Tim was for the establishment.
I guess, since her partner Indy has stepped away for awhile ater being exposed having done the same thing on democrats.org, Yank is having to pull double shifts to disrupt every thread herself.
and don't bother responding Yank. I know what you are going to say and quite frankly I am already bored before you even write it.
Of course, a known bully like Willy will side w/ violent choice
OBSERVATIONS:
And of course you will lie and say that I spun this thread off topic, when I am responding to the spin-off.
And of course you will continue to bully people who genuinely believe in human rights for all (not just the "chosen".
And of course you can't handle the truth because you are part of the vile problem.
FUNCTION: Now I'll click my peaceful ignore button on you, Lowman
RESULT: Ahh, Sunday afternoon Nirvana...
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RIP Tim Russert: A great reporter passes, Republicans benefit
RIP Tim Russert: A great reporter passes, Republicans benefit
Sad day in news with the passing of Tim Russert. He was one of the “good ones”. But I did always respected Tim for taking politicians to task on “Meet The Press.” In an era where TV news host are either rabid partisan hacks (O’Reilly) or complete powder puffs (Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Anderson Cooper, et al.), Russert would at least attempt to keep real journalism alive by staying objective but still providing some pushback! Many a time, his interviews would make news in and of themselves because Tim would actually do the research to know when to call out a politician’s BS!
This weekend should be full of tributes to this great journalist, and rightly so.
Nevertheless, there are two areas where the media so far is glossing over the larger implications of Russert’s death:
1) Russert was a key witness in the CIA Leak Scandal
First things first, Karl Rove and Dick Cheney may secretly be popping corks and toasting Russert’s death. With Russert’s passing, goes a key witness in the Valerie Plame, CIA leak investigation.
Right as Scott McClellan goes turncoat and agrees to meet before the House Judiciary on Plame, this Karl Rove lucky break tragic event occurs. If you don’t recall, Libby claimed Russert informed him of Valerie Plame’s identity, a claim Russert flately denied, thereby providing the bombshell testimony that landed Libby in the clink (sorta, except for that partial pardon from a certain Presidential friend that allowed him to escape Club Fed.) Had Russert testified even that he was unsure, Libby wouldn’t need the partial pardon nor the full pardon that’s coming his way.
The exact effect Russert’s passing will now have on McClellan’s reprise of the Plame Affairs is still TBD. Hopefully, the testimony Russert already provided stands as sufficient record. Nevertheless, though Libby dropped his appeal based on his partial pardon, I’m no legal scholar, but I believe he has the right to re-exercise that appeal. (Note: This needs to be verified)
Consequently, a Libby appeal hedged on Russert’s inability to stand witness provides the Plame Scandal Participants an interesting out. Not only will it buy time, but now sans Russert, an appeal has a slightly better chance of letting Libby wriggle free.
But beyond that, it will be interesting to see if new McClellan / Plame allegations are deflected using Russert - or possibly worse, new allegations involve Russert who now, for obvious reasons, provide no further clarification.
More than likely, Russert’s unequivocal denials of knowing anything about Plame’s CIA involvement prior to Robert Novak’s column precludes any “legal defense grave robbing,” and prevent a man who can’t defend himself from becoming Libby, Rove, and Cheney’s ultimate scapegoat.
2) Russert’s death significantly alters the Presidential debate picture.
Russert was a likely shoe-in as a Presidential debate moderator.
While both campaigns are publicly offering up prodigious schedules of debates, they wildly vary in preference for formats, which means once they finish their negotiating, it should leave the public with a whittled down schedule of 3-5 Presidential debates and another 2-4 VP debates)
Fact is, with Russert’s passing, there are few high profile, experienced, objective yet pointed moderators left. With half of TV news now consisting of radical partisan hacks, and seemingly the other half powder puffs without credentials to take a Presidential candidate to task, its hard to imagine that Russert would have been passed over had the candidates agreed on 4-5 debates - though likely he would have been teamed with perhaps Brian Williams or other panelists.
Russert would definitely not have been the first choice of the McCain campaign, particularly because Russert is known for pointing out inconsistencies - of which McCain suffers from plenty - and Russert asks pointed questions - something that the Alzheimer’s suffering septuagenarian routinely falters on.
Now, what would have been a likely Russert moderated debate (at least in the form of Russert plus panelists) will potentially fall into the lap of a less established moderator, in the vein of Anderson Cooper, who enjoys less license to dispense with the kid gloves. (Cooper should also be on the McCain’s nix list to avoid him looking ancient contrasted against both Cooper and Obama).
Of the remaining moderators, you have:
Lehrer who is legacy to get at least one moderating assignment
Gibson, who despite embarrassing himself in the Gibson / Stephanopoulos ABC Democratic Debate by failing to ask a single substantive question, may still get the call by seeming innocuous yet palatably seasoned (though I’d be shocked if he was high on Obama’s list)
Next to go Bob Schieffer may be aging out of the running. (and really, you have to ask yourself, what the line in Vegas would have been for Schieffer to outlive Russert?!? Its a mad world!)
Conceivably Wolf Blitzer or Larry King could get the nod, but I don’t think either are particularly favorites -and in perhaps my least intellectual, but most truthful analysis - I think its because Wolf on some subliminal level looks like a Wolfman. Honestly, every time I look at him, I question how this strange hairy man got where he is. But more substantively, Wolf parades as a anchor of gravitas, but loses his credibility every time he delivers his patented sensationalized teasers that never live up to their billing. Between his Wolfman sort of appearance and sensational lead in’s that never live up to their billing, Wolf in my mind is the sideshow act of anchors. But I digress…
Given the Hillary factor, a woman may swoop in to get the debate moderating spot, but I hope its Barbara Walter and not Katie Couric.
Rounding out the potentials: all the 60 Minutes dinosaurs, semi-retired Tom Brokaw (who is a likely choice if he wants it), Sam Donaldson (blah), Matt Lauer, Ted Koppel (yawn), and strong candidate Brian Williams.
Consequently, a betting man would have put money on a Russert moderated debate … and to take it a step further and going out on a major hypothetical prognostication limb, a Russert moderated debate would have likely benefited Obama to the tune of an additional 1-2% bump as Obama did exceedingly well in the 2008 Democratic Russert debate and Russert’s questioning style and choice of questions highly favors Obama’s off the cuff ease.
Perhaps the greatest testament to magnitude of Tim Russert’s death is saying it won’t just affect the way the news is covered, it will affect the way the news plays out.
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Russert, his dad, and abortion
It got me when I read that his dad, Big Russ, a man in his eighties, is living in an assisted living facility up north. Tim was very bothered by his father's current situation. I can feel some of what Tim felt.
When my mom was still living, in a nursing home, one of my biggest fears was that I would die first and that she would be reminded over and over again that her son had died. Nursing homes are hell on earth.
As for Tim himself, I thought of him as I have of other TV news guys, Sunday news show guys, and commentators. I wasn't a fan but not any more against him than most in that business. So I am surprised he has gotten so much attention. It is all of the attention I don't understand.
Pro-life. Pro-choice. Pro-abortion. Since I am a man I think I should have one-half vote - like those in Florida and Michigan in the Democratic primaries.
It does make me wonder, however, that so many Christian evangelicals who are so strongly against any kind of abortion really like executing imprisoned adults rather than letting them live out their lives in jail. It bothers me that some pro-choice persons are so against any restrictions whatsoever on abortion. It bothers me that science is usually not mentioned in the debates.
I've heard - but, not being a biological scientist, I don't know - that in nature about a third of fertilized eggs are lost at a very early stage. I would like to know if that is true - without having to go back to college. I would like to know when the spherical embryo begins to change shappe. I would like to know when the first neuron is created. I would like to know at what day in development the fetus goes beyond looking like a generic mammal and begins to truly look like a human fetus. I would like to know at what day in development a fetus has more neurons than any other mammal (except some whales and some dolphins who at adulthood have more neurons than we do). I would like to know at what day a fetus starts moving in response to sounds and in response to adult emotions - and perhaps begins to show his or her personality.
Then there are all of those fertilized eggs, ie, embryos, in suspended animation in clinics at low temperatures. For various reasons and at various times they are trash-canned. That trash-canning isn't "abortion" but it is exactly equivalent to abortion.
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That is all that is important. That's what we the sheeple get fed from our corporate media. I cannot bear to watch tv anymore.
Let's play their game and focus on Dennis Kucinich's unimportant 27th article of impeachment about Bush's disregard for congressional subpoenas. Let's make our congressmen answer that one. Let's be team players.
EW
far more worthy of EULOGIZING have passed, and gotten no mention
far more 'worthy' folks have 'died' in the past twenty five years, and not gotten so much attention as this shill for the right wing.
what the fuck is wrong with all you assholes? are you all smoking crack?
jesus fucking christ! give it a rest, eh?
no wonder the nation is in such deep shit, with idiots for the electorate, what the fuck do you expect?