That's Religulous
By David Swanson
According to an Associated Press story on Friday, more than a half-million people have toured the creationism museum in Kentucky since it opened in May 2007. However, at least one of those people was there to make fun of it with a video camera.
In fact, a lot of what Bill Maher's new film, "Religulous", does is make fun of people. But by no means does Maher single out fringe religious believers. He interviews one of the few top scientists in the world who believes, a priest at the Vatican who believes, and plenty of random typical believers in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Maher's conclusion: these people (including the vast majority of Americans) are all enablers of neurologically disordered killers who are going to destroy the planet.
It takes a two part argument to get to that conclusion. The first part runs like this. A lot of religious believers want the world to end or are indifferent to its ending or are less opposed to it than they would be as atheists. As evidence, Maher interviews a bunch of cranks who think the end of the world, even if brought about by nuclear war or global warming, wouldn't be all that bad, and some who think it would be fantastic. Disturbingly, these cranks include people like U.S. Senator Mark Pryor who comes off looking dumber than a sea sponge but a lot more dangerous. Maher also interviews people who say they don't know anything about politics but voted for Bush because he's religious. Cute but deadly.
The film was clearly made before Sarah Palin came on the national scene. If you don't buy this first part of the argument after watching the movie, Palin should clinch it for you. The Associated Press reported on Saturday on her use of public money, in the Bush-Cheney tradition, to fund religious causes. Bloggers have reported on the belief of some of Palin's supporters that she has been chosen by God. Palin has taken intentional steps to facilitate global warming rather than curtailing it. She has, like Bush, said she believes God wanted war in Iraq.
The second part of the argument is that by failing to denounce religion, hundreds of millions of relatively secular religious people are enabling the lunacies of the religious fanatics, which -- according to Maher -- we must outgrow or all die together. We risk, he says, perishing as a species because we've invented the means of self-annihilation (nuclear and environmental) before managing to overcome the mental disease that makes us wish for self-annihilation. It is indisputable that at least some people tend to be more religious if others around them are religious, and that the opposite is true as well. And it is indisputable that humans commit mass murder in the name of religion. I think it's nearly beyond dispute, as well, that the attacks of 9-11 would not have occurred had Americans all been Muslims, and that the attacks on the Middle East by Americans before and after 9-11 would not have happened, at least in the same vicious way, had all the people there been Christian. Of course, without religion people can invent other justifications for slaughtering each other, but not for martyrdom, not for holy suicide, and not for blissful acceptance of environmental or nuclear catastrophe.
I think Maher's case is solid, and I think his movie tells his story in a compelling and often very funny way. But it has some shortcomings. For one thing, Maher is hardly ever nice to anyone in the movie, except as a pretense to get them to look stupider on film. He's a comedian, and he sees his job as mocking people. The cruelty of this is more apparent than usual, because the people he's being cruel to are there on film being humiliated before the world. It would have been helpful, for example, to include a serious conversation with someone who had recently overcome religion and who was able to explain how they'd done it. Maher does include snippets of a conversation with a scientist who's studied the brain activity of people praying and meditating, but he's only there as a straightman for Maher's jokes; we never learn whether he has anything useful to say. It might have made sense to include, as well, a relatively rational believer arguing against Maher that religion benefits the world. But that wouldn't have been funny.
Perhaps it was the way Maher made the film. Perhaps it was just the fact that he made the film. But for some reason, according to the Desert Sun newspaper a theater in California just shut down after receiving a death threat for Maher. One of the topics addressed in the film is, in fact, the insanity and cruelty of religiously motivated death threats. But Maher shies away from nothing, and asks why it should be that atheists (OK, he does shy away quite wimpishly from the word atheist, but that's what he means) should not feel safe expressing their views in public.
According to a survey Maher cites, and according to quite a few polls, atheists and non-believers are a sizable group in America -- smaller than in many countries, but still sizable. Other minorities, Maher points out, including African-Americans, gays and lesbians, gun owners, Jews, etc., all have organizations and spokespeople and at least sometimes get what they want or manage to be part of the debate. Why not atheists? But Maher stops short of pointing out any of the fledgling groups that do exist, most of which -- like Maher -- tend to avoid the word atheist. There's the Secular Coalition for America, The Brights, the Council for Secular Humanism, the American Humanist Association, the American Atheists, and more.
Either Maher is wrong, or our lives depend on joining and promoting the work of these groups. Watch his movie and decide for yourself. Think for yourself.


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wolf in comic's clothing
I went to see Religulous, and the hypocrisy of Maher is just too outrageous to not be intentionally deceptive. If I wasn't already pissed at Maher for his ridiculing those who seek the truth about 9/11, I am super pissed at him now.
The man starts out stating how ignorant most humans are for putting faith in fairy tales over science and logic. EXCUSE ME, but when over 500 professional architects and engineers are calling for a new 9/11 investigation after being presented with a plethora of scientific evidence, I'd say a comedian who chooses to believe the conspiracy theory put forth by a pathologically lying White House, to be the LAST person who should mock the "faithful."
I always suspected Maher could be heavily biased by his Jewish background, despite the fact he ridicules all religion in general. Religulous has greatly enhanced this suspicion. Consider the following:
Though Maher delightfully beats up on Christians and Muslims, he strangely doesn't disparage Israeli Jews. Sure, he does actually poke fun at one Jewish man in the film, but lo and behold, the man is NOT a Zionist. Bill chides him for not believing Jews should band together against possible future persecution, the NEVER AGAIN mentality. Bill even belittles him, "So what do you want, AGAIN?"
He interviews a couple ex-Mormons, who emphasize speaking badly of the Church leads to social suicide, yet he never mentions the horrific social ramifications experienced by those (especially politicians) who dare speak out against Jewish lobbies in this country. (This is precisely how we get saddled with Nancy Pelosis.)
There are plenty of references trying to portray Islam as a violent religion, but absolutely no mention of Israeli atrocities. Since many consider the state of Israel to be the root cause of terrorism for more than fifty years, and since Israel is an ENTIRE COUNTRY founded on Maher's bogus concept of religion, it is inexcusable he should overlook such a matter.
The bottom line is this: one of Maher's major missions in the Matrix is to make us believe Bush's version of 9/11 - no questions allowed. In the finest style of insidious propaganda, he uses Religulous to subtly reinforce this notion, (including multiple clips of Islamic terrorists who want to conquer the world). At the same time, he deflects attention from the criminally active state of Israel, whose Mossad more than likely orchestrated the controlled demolitions at the World Trade Center.
Bill makes me laugh, but his affinity for Zionism, Neocon conspiracy theories, and especially Ann Coulter, should make one be wary this wolf in comic's clothing.
And the Israeli moron
who's invented wheel chairs and telephones you can use on the Sabath while pretending to still follow the rules?
more on Maher
David's right. There's at least one acknowledgment of Jewish lunacy regarding those who adamantly observe (or get around) the Sabbath. If you see the movie, don't miss the phone that you dial by NOT dialing!
PS: For those who view Bill Maher as a Donahue like maverick, because he challenged accepted views and was booted off ABC, remember what he challenged. He dared call the "supposed" hijackers brave, instead of labeling them cowards. In other words, although he made a network gaff, he was still TOTALLY TOWING the Bush/Cheney script for their foundational crime.
I like Bill Maher.But.
I think he is Funny inteligent and He is some KIND of Progressive Guy.
I consider the issue very Interesting, in particular in US were the Definition of a Good and a Bad Person often includes Religion bilieves and even Politic is Mixed with religion.
How many times have you heard someone saying: He is a Good Guy. He goes to church every Weekend?
And what about the Controversial " I pledge......a Nation Under GOD, with liberty....
BUT as Thomas O. Pointed i felt Insulted when he made Jokes about 9-11 truthers some time ago. PERHAPS he has changed his mind today, when you can count Many MORE experts at our side (So FAR 508 at ae911truth) rather than at their side (NIST and Popular Mechanic)
I would like to watch the movie any way.
and that is based on.... Bush, Cheney, or Rice's truthfulness?
"I think it's nearly beyond dispute, as well, that the attacks of 9-11 would not have occurred had Americans all been Muslims..."
Well, there is a lot of "dispute"... but as you have written, you just don't chose to read or hear it.
But what is "beyond dispute" is that the vast problems we have in the Middle East wouldn't be occuring if the Palestinians were Jewish.
Yet somehow that facet of the issue isn't covered. Again.
you're not dumb
so don't play it
you know perfectly well that i condemn israel's crimes and that i think your 9-11 theories are ludicrous
you know that we agree on the former and disagree on the latter
by definition David.
Days after 9/11,Colin Powel promised to present a "white paper" proving bin Laden's and al Qaeda's involvement in 9/11.
He never produced it.
The FBI to this day doesn't list 9/11 as one of the crimes of bin Laden because, as Rex Tombs said, they don't have the evidence.
Khalid Shiek Mohammed, the suppossed architect of 9/11 was tortured for a year before he "confessed" and John McCain himself said in 2005 that that should never have happened and that any information collected from that interogation was "suspect" at best.
The 9/11 Commission reported the Khalid Shiek Mohammed intel as fact even though, they were not allowed to see the interogation tapes, they were not allowed to interview KSM, they were not allowed to interview the agents that conducted the interogation, and they were not even allowed to be present during the interogation.
And, even though both Chairs of the 9/11 Commission has publicly stated they were "lied to and mislead" by the administration and the Pentagon, regarding 9/11.
In fact, what they were allowed to do, was write their questions down, and hand them to the Administration officials to be "asked" of KSM... then a time later, the officials came back with the transcript of what KSM allegedly answered. Would you belive anyone in this administration at this point, about anything?
The last video of Osama bin Laden that both the CIA and the FBI confirm as being authentic, was from Dec. 2001, where bin Laden says that he DID NOT plan or conduct 9/11 because the Taliban had told him that the Bush Administration was just looking for some excuse to invade so they kept him on a short leash (so to speak).
The "Fat Bin Laden" tape, conviniantly left behind in a living room, has NOT been confirmed as being authentic. Neither has any bin Laden tape since.
These are FACTS and they are, more importantly, the basis of YOUR "theory" as to what happened on 9/11 (let's be honest: the idea of 19 people getting together to commit a crime is, by definition, a "conspiracy theory".).
Givin all of this, coupled with the "evidence" that included a last will and testiment that a hijacker put in his suitcase that he checked on the plane he was supposed to crash into building 1, one has to start asking some questions about the validity of the Bush Administration's 9/11 narrative.
I don't deal in "theories". On this thread and on the one before, I simply state facts that are rarely by the MSM or even many "progressive" sites. I don't put forward any "theory" as to who did this and why.
What I do state is that blind acceptance of the official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory, without consideration of the relevant facts that stand in direct contradiction to any logic whatsoever, whether it's the physical evidence or the lack thereof, or whether it is observations of just what the "official theory" is based on, is a serious underestimation of the criminality of the Bush Administration.
But whatever you want to call it, it isn't "ludicrous" by definition.
And just so you know, this evidence, as damning as it may be when lumped together, has ALL been covered by the MSM. This isn't deep-conspiracy theory stuff. In fact, most of this has probably been covered on this site.
To look past this, to look past the now 508 engineers and architects who say those building could NOT have "collapsed" without additional assistance, to look past scholars like Gore Vidal and others...
without any reason other than to simply deny across the board, that IS ludicrous... by definition.
"Dick the Magician" fooled David?
David:
If you think “9-11 theories” are ludicrous you are in Bill Maher’s team. YOU BOTH WERE FOOLED BY “DICK THE MAGICIAN”.
I saw Maher’s clip when he says: “That’s absurd, we all saw the plane hit the buildings and the fire and then the buildings collapsed”
And this is my question to both of you: When you see a Magician Disappears a Rabbit, A Woman and Even an Elephant do that mean that they really disappear?
This is no THEORY David this is a FACT: “Steel frame buildings DO NOT COLLAPS at free fall Speed without EXPLOSIVES being used”.
So in 9-11 you have.
"THREE steel frame buildings Collapsing at free fall speed when hit by TWO planes"
NOOOOOOO!
The only thing I ask you it is to support the other team, the team of Mike Gravel, Cynthia McKinney and others in demanding a SERIOUS INVESTIGATION
So don’t feel SHAME even Noam Chomsky is your team too.
Every body plays the fool. Sometimes!