Ending the War Without End

By David Swanson

The three participants in the third U.S. presidential debate last week pretended Iraq didn't exist, but if you go to a rally of supporters for either candidate it's the top issue talked about. Baghdad, a city in ruins, divided into ethnically cleansed fiefdoms of rubble, rats, and open sewage, a place where one risks death by walking outside, is managing major rallies of tens of thousands of people in opposition to the treaty to extend the occupation for three more years (and beyond) that is being negotiated by Bush and Maliki. And yet, the U.S. peace movement is largely hibernating until the November 4th U.S. elections, and the U.S. Congress remains almost entirely comatose.

To a consumer of U.S. corporate media this makes some sense. The occupation is for the benefit of the people of Iraq and, with the help of "the surge", it is "succeeding." President Bush is actually working on an "agreement" to "end" the "war." Peace activists should be celebrating, right?

To begin the reeducation process necessary to recognize such positions as sick jokes, I recommend the best history of the U.S. occupation of Iraq that I've seen: Michael Schwartz's "War Without End: The Iraq War in Context." This book puts incidents of violence we hear about in the context of the massive violence we don't hear much about, and puts all of it in the context of the economic and social devastation imposed on Iraq by the people we absurdly call our public servants. Schwartz also helps to make the complex clearer and simpler by framing his account in terms of the actual oily motivations of our government, rather than any of the pretended rationales.

Iraq was to be a brief stop on the march of U.S. empire into other Middle Eastern nations. But Iraq was not to be invaded and then allowed to recover in its previous form; it was to be completely remade as a totally privatized participant in the global economy. Of course, these two ideas were incompatible and resulted in the occupiers' attempt to accomplish in days what would have had to take decades in order to succeed at all even on its own terms. And massive additions of U.S. troops even early on would only have slowed the process of economically driven resistance. "The cycle of protest, repression, and escalation," Schwartz convincingly argues, "would have eventually run its course."

The resistance grew out of U.S. actions that destroyed the Iraqi economy and infrastructure and prevented their restoration, actions sometimes aimed at creating a neocon paradise of trickledown success, and sometimes aimed more successfully at destruction and mass punishment. And yet, most of the violence has never come from the resistance. It comes from the U.S. occupiers. The assault on Fallujah was an assault on a relatively peaceful city aimed at wresting control of it from opponents of the occupation, not at pacifying any violence. U.S. assaults on civilians are, by and large, not collateral damage, but the intentional sending of a message to other civilians not to aid the resistance. And the various acts of handing sovereignty over to Iraqis have never been understood by most Iraqis as anything more than laughable pretenses.

Most of Iraq is controlled by Sunni or Shia militias. The U.S. military and the puppet Iraqi government control very little. The U.S. military has negotiated cease-fires with Shia and Sunni groups, reducing violence but adding to the groups' consolidation of local power, power that will be increasingly used to demand major public economic projects of exactly the sort that the U.S. government refuses to provide, either in Iraq or in the United States. Yes, many are dead and many more have been driven from their homes, and still many, many more are weakened and injured. And yet, there is every indication that the resistance will be growing, not diminishing.

It is in this context that we should view the current attempt by Bush to legitimize and extend the occupation, his releasing last week of yet another unconstitutional "signing statement" giving himself the power to spend funds to control Iraq's oil, and his efforts to unconstitutionally create a treaty with Iraq, without Senate approval. If the treaty is put into place and accepted by the Iraqi Parliament and ignored by a spineless Congress, it will sanction three more years of occupation (to be followed by endless years of reduced-size occupation) but require "ending" (meaning reducing) the occupation by 2011. It will also technically take immunity from Iraqi law away from US troops and mercenaries in limited circumstances when off base and off duty, although the likelihood of actual prosecutions seems limited. Oh, and we will have established that a president can make treaties without even going through the pretense that Congress still exists.

A handful of Congress Members, led as always by Kucinich, are speaking out. And it is entirely possible that a bipartisan coalition of the sort that temporarily opposed Paulson's Plunder will coalesce in Congress: some opposing the treaty because it subjects American criminals to the rule of law in Iraq, others because it is a treaty created without Senate approval thus putting another nail in the coffin of Congress, and still others because it sanctions three more years of killing and dying and the impoverishment -- on different scales -- of the people of both nations. And yet, in very rare cases can this opposition in Congress be expected to amount to anything more than rhetoric, at least not without massive pressure from us -- yes, you and me.

If the treaty is rejected, the occupation will lose its United Nations fig leaf of legality on January 1st, and the general consensus is that all troops and mercenaries will be kept on bases. We will have the opportunity then of pointing out the resulting reduction in violence, of insisting on the rule of law, and of demanding the immediate withdrawal of every man and woman serving in Iraq as occupiers.

We need members of Congress to demand publication of the treaty in English and Arabic, hold public hearings, and insist on the Senate's right to ratify or reject all treaties. Yes, I know that we can usually count on the Iraqi Parliament to represent us better than our own Congress, and yes, I know, there is a U.S. election next month, but that just makes two particular senators especially important to lobby. No election can stop you from sending Obama, McCain, and every other member of Congress a note like this one, or calling them on the phone, or visiting them in person with this message:

Dear ______________ (member of Congress)

I am aware that President Bush is currently in the process of unconstitutionally making a treaty (misleadingly called a Status of Forces Agreement or SOFA) with Iraq without Senate approval. I am writing to ask you to insist that this treaty be published in English and Arabic, that public hearings be held on the matter, and that the Senate reserve the right to ratify or reject the treaty. Should this so-called SOFA be enacted without Congressional approval, it will establish that a president can make treaties without Congress, which, as you know, is unconstitutional.

As my representative, it is your fundamental duty to ensure that the Constitution of the United States of America is respected and upheld.

If you and your colleagues in Congress choose to ignore this matter and the SOFA is put into place and accepted by the Iraqi Parliament, there will be three more years of occupation followed by many more years of what will amount to a reduced-size occupation. A majority of American people has already made it abundantly clear that we want the U.S. out of Iraq as soon as possible. I strongly urge you to do everything you can to carry out our wishes.

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US asks us to pick up litter while city is in ruins, says mayor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544469/US-asks-us-to-pick-up-...

"US asks us to pick up litter while city is in ruins, says mayor of Baghdad

By Damien McElroy in Baghdad
Last Updated: 12:43AM GMT 04 Mar 2007

Baghdad's mayor lashed out at the United States yesterday – for spending huge sums on projects to collect rubbish and plant trees while his devastated war-torn city struggles without electricity.

At a meeting in the city's Green Zone the mayor, Sabir al-Isawi, interrupted US officials in the middle of a presentation to key Iraqi officials, to say these schemes are "not what the people want".

He was echoing the feelings of many critics of America's priorities since Baghdad's infrastructure was all but destroyed since the US-led invasion in 2003.

On average, residents get only two hours of electricity a day, and are bitterly angry that the world's most powerful nation has not delivered a single major power plant in four years of occupation.

And hours after yesterday's presentation a high-ranking US official admitted that, despite spending $22 billion on reconstruction across Iraq, the Americans didn't expect Baghdad to have a 24-hour electricity supply until 2013...."

A typical celebrity-worshipping, U.S. answer:

IMAGE! Fuck the reality that tries to rear its ugly head--wallpaper over it!

"A country without a Soul is destined for Hell...on Earth."

While we lose our homes here, theirs lie in ruins over there

So true , Clipped Eagle, unfortunately our hell on Earth is now.

J.Cusack on a McCain WIN.

John Cusack. on the Military Industrial Complex.

WAR INC.

YOUNG TURKS Interview J.Cusack and also address the issue of a Possible McCain win.

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=91&task=vide...

If McCain wins forget about prosecuting BUSH & CO.

WE also NEED A DECENT AG in place of MUKASEY

THANK YOU Mr.Cusack

Iraq the forgotten

While watching the debate, I noted that Iraq was not mentioned once even though they both had several opportunities to do so while talking about the economy. I have to vote for Obama but feel as though he has stabbed the antiwar community in the back. After that shameful display of violence toward the IVAW members at the debate he has stabbed them in the back as well by not speaking out about it.

Imagine yourself a soldier in Iraq, watching the debate event and thinking OMFG, we have been left behind. This is truly a low period in US history.

S.D. Woman

You are GD right. Not a WORD about the fiasco in Iraq from Obama! Hell, if I was running against this bastard, that and the economy would be ALL I talked about. I would be running ads with McCain talking about the WMDs and Hussain's connection with bin Laden all day long!

and yet, for SOME reason...NADA. ZIP. ZILCh... the reason? because Obama is a free-trade/globalist war-monger, just like McSame.

F*ck Obama

Then you would lose us to the Neocons just for your ego

as Nader has in the past.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

The neocons never "won" the White house; they stole it.

Now I know you are a f*ing republican.

Then why would you risk spoiling it too?

Nader spoiled Florida in 2000. Throw in the cheating, and this country starting going downhill before 9/11.
Denying that spoiling AND cheating ruined this country is not going to make them go away.

Staying in denial and dividing us may be your modus operandi, but only SOLIDARITY will rid us of the Neocon infestation forever. "United we stand divided we fall" is not just a trite saying, it actually means something. With an overwhelming landslide for Obama, no cheating would go un-contested or un-prosecuted this time.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

UNITE IN SOLIDARITY > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Get rid of Yank the Obama troll

she did everything she could to derail impeachment before we ran her off last time, now she is back spamming up this site again with her Pro-Free Trade/Pro-Iraq Occuaption Obama BS.

Now this moron says Nader is responsible for the 2000 election being stolen?

She and all her other Obama-trolls are just like the rethuglicans; they will lie, troll, slander, any thing to try and silence ANY message that might not put their candidate in the best light.

People are sick of this fake 2 party system, and they are sick of it's supporters who say every two years, that you have to vote in it to "save the world". This is bullshit and the people around here are smart enough to know it.

Quit spamming up this site to hide comments you don't like, troll. Go back to the DLC where you came from.

Willy

Grow up. You sound as desperate as McCain.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Nader is not responsable BUT

With the stolen Elections by the NEOCON MAFIA in Florida ORCHESTRATED FROM Texas

But the votes he took from GORE COULD have prevented the fix.

You all Know that a WIDE margin IT IS HARDER to STEAL.

That's the point we are making here.

I personally admire RALPH NADER i also would like you to WATCH the NADER-McKinney DEBATE at DEMOCRACY NOW. What a fresh IDEAS!

http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2008/10/16

BUT, Who saw that DEBATE?

NOT even you folks!

That's also WHY KUCINICH endorsed OBAMA to REMOVE THE NEOCON TUMOR FROM THE WHITE HOUSE!

THAT SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY NOW!

It wasn't a debate.... and Yes I saw it.

Unfortunately, all Democracy Now did was replay the questions asked during the Obama/McCain debate, then their answers, and THEN they let Nader and McKinney respond for 2 minutes at first, then they had to shorten them up to 1 minute.

So in fact, Obama and McCain got more time in the Nader/McKinney debate than they did.

Also, the scope was limited to those questions asked by the moderator on the MSM debate. meaning IMPORTANT questions weren't ever asked. Important topics were not addressed.

Well, I should say Democracy Now tried NOT to address those issues, but BOTH Nader and McKinney got sick of the format, and they started talking about what they WANTED to talk about.

So yes, obviously, I saw it. And obviously, I wasn't impressed.

I was VERY impressed with McKinney and Nader... but Democracy Now really let us down on that one.

As to your little suggestion about the "margins"... tell me, how many votes were cast and not counted in 2004? How many? 3 million.

3 million votes cast and not counted in many states, not by accident. 2004 was a landslide victory. The MYTH that the election was close is beinging to unravel. Read BradBlog, BlackBoxVoting, and many others.

And let's not forget all the great work that After Downing Street has been doing exposing the serious voting issues going on RIGHT NOW, and Greg Palast and mr. Kennedy.

You should get check out the article on the front page here about Stealing Back Your Vote. It's good stuff.

Nader's bullshit little votes didn't make ANY difference in 2000. They would have stopped the counting with 50,000 left uncounted or 100,000 left uncounted.

59,000 taken OFF the voter rolls in 2004 I believe plus so many other little tricks. To say Nader did anything to cost us the election is a horrible mistake.

It's like blaming the victims friend. And no matter how else you look at it, all it really does is continue to instill the misleading information in the minds of readers here.

Now I know that is not your intention. But that is undoubtably the result. The truth will always be the best angle. Always. If people think that telling others the truth will discourage them and keep them from voting, that is on you.

By that I mean, that you haven't finished your work if you leave people with the feeling that they can't fix this situation.

Just lying and saying that nader votes cost us the election won't do us any good.

I heard an Obama ad down here in Florida just the other day. They said that 500 votes would have made a difference in 2000. Now that's not really a lie... but the S.C. forced them to stop counting while BushCo was still up by 500. Now, there were still 20k more to count, primarily from minorities, which would have been the end of BushCo. Had all those votes that were legally cast been counted, none of this would have happened.

None of it.

But it had nothing to do with Nader. nothing.

And pretending that it is any different is disengenuos. Now how can you justify one lie over the other? Because one is from the "left" and the other from the "right"? They all think they are saving the world too.

The truth, boys and girls is ALL that matters. And when we put aside our own desires to stand for that truth, no matter where it leads us, I promise you that this country and then this world will change.

Mathematically speaking

"Mathematically, Florida's 25 electoral votes became the key to an election win"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000,_in_Florid...

Clearly the margin of error would have been in Gore's favor if Nader was not in the race. A vote for Nader was a vote for W back then. But , Nader can't spoil it this year, so you can vote for Willy Wonka and your vote won't hurt us, or the country, or the world this time.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Now Yank is trying to push the idea that the 2000 election...

...wasn't stolen by Bush and his team? And you present Wiki as your "evidence"?

Of course 2000 hinged on Florida. That's why they got Ted Olsen to press the Supreme Court to stop the recount, or has someone edited that part out of Wiki this week?

You remember Theodore Olsen don't you? He also argued for Cheney to keep all his records secret since he really isn't part of the executive branch.

And he also is the guy that let us know that the "terrorists" had box cutters on one of the planes since his wife called him from her cell phone that day (oh, wait, the fBI later said in the 20th hijacker trial that no calls went through from that flight, hmmm. Now that's odd.).

Small world, huh?

Republicans donate to Nader (you must be one of them Willy)

https://letters.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/02/22/nader_mtp/view/in...

"Nader
Oh he'll get his million, all right. From eager Republican donors who want to take votes away from the Democratic candidate, most likely Obama. Then we'll have a repeat of the 2000 election, and this time get Bush on steroids. McCain is a maniac who disguises himself as "maverick." Nader took 90,000 votes in Florida. If even a twentieth of those votes went for Gore we would have had a very different seven and half years to look back on, a different world and a better planet right now. Yes, no candidate from the Democratic party is going to call for all that progressives, myself included, want. But we aren't electing a king or a dictator. It is a democracy and as a movement we have to win hearts and minds, We cannot impose our views by election or any other means. Already progressives and others of conscience have moved the country against the war and toward a health care plan which is why both Clinton and Obama can take those stands. Nader by the way would make a very bad president. To put it mildly, he does not work well with others, even his friends. In just one of many examples, he promised a cohort of leftist supporters that he would not campaign in Florida because it was known to be a swing state. But he broke that promise. The group left his campaign in protest but the damage was done, done in fact to us all, here and in the world. There are others ways to get the message he has out. Others who have been carrying that message far more effectively than his divisive and I might add meanspirited candidacy would. It's too bad, because what we desperately need now, and what Nader could give us is an articulate,informed and efficacious protest against corporate policies both toward consumers and employees, who ought by the way to make an alliance. He knows that territory very well (as he does not, sadly, regarding other issues such as sexism or racism and, including ironically, ecology.) That he would decide to run in this election would be a sign of profound ignorance about the political arena and how social and political change happens, not to speak of a sign of a deeply disturbing lack of responsibilty.

-- Fuller "

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

A copy and paste argument from an All Obama All the Time site

nice.

Maybe next time you will try to formulate some sort of logic all your own. Imagine that Yank, a thought all your own. Dare we dream?

I only sink to your level when you're around Willy

And what do you mean by "we", Kimosabe? You're the Lone Ranger, the only Republican for Nader on ADS site.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Now Yank says Nader supporters are republicans...

...thanks for that insight. It is truely brilliant. Everyone who votes for free-trade Globalist Obama is a liberal, and people that want the real liberals, Nader and McKinney, are republicans. Brilliant.

You get smarter by the day.

I guess it is true that absolute faith in anything serves only to blind you to everything.

Oh, and if anyone reading here could POSSIBLY read what I've written and think for a minute that I am a republican, read my site. that should clear things up.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/

No, I said YOU are a Republican for Nader (proxy McCain vote)

Where do you keep coming up with the idea that you are more than one person? Anyone as divisive as you are has GOT to be a Republican.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Divisive? Yank, you spent 6 months here working against...

...impeachment. All you do is insult people for wanting to vote their concious. All day, every day, like it's your job or something.

No Willy

I have spent over three years here supporting impeachment and John Conyers (the father of Bush impeachment). I was worried about the split loyalties against John Conyers at ADS, because I was afraid that in itself would ruin the impeachment cause altogether. Also , I wanted to have political discourse about John Conyers' reasonable concerns about the pros and cons of a FAILED impeachment. Just because loyalties split over John Conyers at ADS does not mean I was against a SUCCESSFUL impeachment. I am STILL for an impeachment that can be achieved even on the last day George W Bush and Richard B Cheney are in office.

I also am for Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder, which you already appear to scoff at.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

You are incorrect, Yank. Again

You did everything you could to stall any discussion of impeachment here and it had NOTHING to do with Conyers. Conyers was your smokescreen at times, but then there were many others. It's easy enough for new readers here to go back into the archives of this site and pull up the article from 3 and 4 months ago. When they do, they will see that your tactics were exactly as I claim they were.

And your efforts to quell impeachment efforts were not restricted to this site. All anyone who is interested has to do is Google your "handle" and comments you have left on other sites as well will come up, and they will see that this is something that you did regularly. It became the ONLY thing you did.

And that was because, like you said, you thought it would hurt Obama's chances.

You would viciously attack commenters here, you would post inaccurate information, you would do just about anything to try and divert topics away from ways to approach the impeachment issue.

Well, you got what you wanted, so you should be proud. You will get an election unencumbered by justice, so your precious ObamaGod will have a chance to win. After all that, you come here again, now to try and dissuade commenters from voting their concious.

Your fascism is no different than theirs. You are a troll and an embarrasment to liberals everywhere.

You are an unwhitting dupe to a system that stretches well beyond your comprehension.

You and your "left at all cost" ilk are the worst thing that could have happened to our cause, and even more dangerous to true freedom than even the Neo-Cons, because YOUR kind of fascism is voluntary and incidiously submissive and tyranical in your fanatisism.

You are a f*ing waste of time because you will never be smart enough to understand what is really going on and you will ALWAYS be arrogent enough to think you do.

Oh yes, you are all for impeachment... after the election. Which just goes to prove my point.

And do NOT lie about me again. You know DAMN well where I stand about the prosecution and removal of Cheney and Bush. i just think trying to convince the American people that Bush shot all of our soldiers is going to be a difficult sell. Apparently EVERY SINGLE PROSECUTER agrees with me, because NONE HAVE SIGNED ON TO BRING CHARGES!!!!

Like I said, you will lie, attack people who don't agree with you, all to support your fascist cause: Obama at ALL COSTS.

You are beyond a waste of time; you and your kind are a vile disease spreading across the body politic. You are blind, unrelenting, idol worshiping Party Faith. And that is more than dangerous in this day and age.

I pity you. Because you will never understand, till they kick in your door, just how deep this corruption goes. You will be, just like so many republican trolls, silent as they whisk away your neighbors and your friends; all for the good of "the party".

You are 'Hitler's Willing Executioners" (look it up) and in some minds, they were more dangerous than Hitler himself.

This is the last time I will respond to you. Leave my comments alone. Stop f*ing stalking me. I am sick of your blathering rhetoric.

"Vote obama". Yeah, we got it Yank. Till you got something new, don't bother chatting with me. I've already heard it.

Unusual interpretation, not true of course, but "enlightening"

Since when is being for a SUCCESSFUL impeachment that WILL in reality put George W Bush and Richard B Cheney out of office permanently furthering "a fascist cause" ?

Since when is an ELECTION DAY by , for and of THE PEOPLE "a fascist cause"?

Of course , in your mind, it never occurs to you that losing to McCain/Palin and the Bush Doctrine AGAIN is truly A FASCIST CAUSE. You never see reality, only delusions.

You've put a new slant on the Constitution that noone , not even our Founding Forefathers, has "enlightened" us by. I never learned your interpretation in Civics Class, that I can attest to.

You're not only slanderous about me (and others you've made a hobby of bullying here during your tenure here as an agent provocateur ), you're slanderous against the entire meaning of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Yes, I am very happy that the will of the people is finally winning, and that we will not fall again to Neoconism due to a spoiled/cheated election. :-)

And I will continue to fight for impeachment, prosecution, war crimes, whatever sticks for a conviction to put George W Bush away for life .

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

I love Ralph the public citizen, not Nader the candidate.

He is like a split personality, one is principled , the other is egotistical.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

YOU STINK!

Yankhadenuf,

I am tired of trying to be diplomatic and just say it. YOU are the "spoiler". You seek to deny the right of free speech and the right to run for office and any other democratic principles you can to see that only the candidate YOU want gates elected. This is the philosophy of a fascist. You STINK! You disgust me!

Al K.

www.votenader.org

Obama has to tread lightly with Iraq debate, before election

We all know Obama was against the Iraq War. Knowing this may not be enuf, but we have no choice but hope his silence during debate is discretionary at this point in time. Any gaffe or slip of the tongue could lose us the White House to the NeoCONS again. I'm sure Obama is more aware of this than most of us.

Lose to the neocons or stolen by them?

I have already made plans to be in DC on 1-20-09 no matter what the outcome is. I will be protesting the war as I have been for 7 years now. Bush has unleashed a plague upon the United States and I doubt I will live to see them crawl back under their rocks. We must do all that we can no matter what to get us the hell out of these occupations to to start addressing the needs of the soldiers and their families. Up until Palin joined the ticket I was voting for Nader. Now I cannot in all good conscience do it.

Agreed, SGW

I am afraid to throw caution to the wind too.

Send a FAX to Conyers 202-225-7680

and an EMAIL to john.conyers@johnconyers.com

Dear John Conyers,

Over 4,100 American soldiers and over 1,000,000 Iraqis were killed in George W. Bush's war against Iraq on "false pretenses", A BIG LIE, which are "unlawful deaths", each and every one, requiring that George W. Bush be "indicted and prosecuted" on "murder and conspiracy to commit murder" charges, as noted and documented by renowned prosecutor and best selling author Vincent Bugliosi in his stunning, best selling true crime book, "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder", Vanguard Press, Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ItIOaBgyDQ

In view of the above information, this is to implore you to indict, prosecute, impeach, and charge George W. Bush with one or more of four charges: conspiracy to commit crimes alleged in other counts; crimes against peace; war crimes; or crimes against humanity.

SPECIFIC CHARGES include the murder of over 4,100 American soldiers, and over 1,000,000 Iraqis, pursuing an aggressive war, the brutality of the occupation and detention centers, and the use of illegal weapons.

Sincerely,

Reference:

1. DA Gets a Letter-Prosecute Bush for Murder, Link, www.afterdowningstreet.org/print/36909

Obama, McCain, Congress sold their souls to the same masters

The idea that any one thinks Obama, Mccain and congress are politacal advesaries is absurd. Anything that is in the best interest of the central banks or the sustainability of the for profit war machine is what the three will do. Obama Mccain and congress signed on to the same imperialist government and they are all important to its survival. Restore the Constitution,POWER TO THE PEOPLE,chris dorsey

Obama and McCain are light years apart

Neither one of them are "perfect" , no person is in this race except maybe Dennis Kucinich, and he threw in the towel when he realized his candidacy was no longer viable (because he did not want to scam his backers out of any donations based on false hopes). But to equate Obama and Mccain as the "Bobsy Twins" is laughable. They are more like "Goofus" and "Gallant" of children's magazine Highlights.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

OH, LIKE THIS:

in the way they both are perpetuating the 'myth' that people in Afghanistan actually pose a threat, and deserve to be bombed back into the stone age, or until we are totally defeated, as the former Soviet Union was?

in the way they both have no intention nor spoken in any way that says that they will rescind or strike every law and executive order that Bush signed or had written for him, that, in essence, destroy the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights?

in the way that neither of them seems to be willing to admit that what took place on Sept. 11, 2001, was done by the United States Government and the Mossad, and that these crimes need to be fully investigated and prosecuted as High Treason?

in these ways?

O'Bombya might as well be J.S. McCain's half brother, irregardless of skin color or party affiliation. They both spoke at the A.I.P.A.C. convention and both of them are owned and operated by the Israeli Intelligence Community and the Israeli Government.

Where is the difference Funding war? stealing tax payer dollars?

To make a statement Obama and Mccain are light years apart I believe you should have evidence beyond comparing the two shills of the criminal US government to comic book characters. They are the same on funding illegal wars imunity for violaters of the fourth amendment, subsidies for the coal industry (coal changes the climate more than anything else) The stealing of tax payer dollars to give to wall street. etc etc etc etc. I hope I am wrong however the evidence that we have seems to tell a different story. chris dorsey

RVA4Peace

This is what they ALWAYS say to any critisism of Obama that deals in facts; he's not "perfect", no one is "perfect", this is the "real world", get over Kucinich, He's not "viable", lesser of two evils...

Time and time again, the same old mantra. And here is "All Obama All the Time" Yank saying the exact same thing.

"Neither one of them are "perfect" , no person is in this race except maybe Dennis Kucinich, and he threw in the towel when he realized his candidacy was no longer viable..."

You know what would happen if Obama were to be allowed to "win" this election?

They will keep justifying the betrayals of Obama for the next two or three years based on the mantra that he has to "compramise" or that they are affraid he will be flasely impeached...

In short, the best thing this criminal conspiracy could do would be to "elect" Obama. He supports their globalist cause and most of the 'progressives" will bend over backwards accepting his missteps, for years till they finally figure out they have been had, again.

Betrayal is running a race you know you will lose to the Neocons

If you run a campaign you know 100% you will lose, yet you keep 100% of the donations to your lost campaign decade after decade, who is betraying who then? Green is not coming out smelling like a rose, in fact something is rotten in the state of "Green"land. Jeapordizing the 2000 race to the Neocons is the worst thing that Ralph Nader has done , but to do it again TWICE more is unconscionable.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Being for a war and funding soldier's gear are two dif animals

I know the peace "purists" want to pull the funding out in a kneejerk manner, but really, where is the peace in that ? Except to see our soldiers torn to pieces in an unfunded prematurely quick exit? If my son or daughter was in Iraq, I would want them to have flapjackets the entire time before and after , not just up until the point the "exit strategy" actually occurs.

It's easy to be a couch peacenik, but its not easy to be an armchair parent.

You have to be kidding

We are talking about funding the occupations then funding the supplementals demanded by Bush and Cheney. We would love to see a funding bill passed that would pay for a safe withdrawl of American forces however Obama and Mccain are funding a continuation of the endless occupations. And by the way the multi hundreds of billions of dollars already spent by the tax payers should have covered retro fitting vehicles and flack jackets. I think you might not understand what I am saying. P.S. What is a couch peacenick or armchair parent.chris dorsey

Couch Peacenik vs Armchair Parent

If someone presents me with a bill that "funds occupations" , I take that as meaning the purchase of armored Humvees and new flapjackets. What else does it mean? If someone presents me with a bill "funding exit strategy", then I take that as meaning the purchase of EXTRA armored Humvees and MORE new flapjackets. What else can it possibly mean?

Couch Peacenik> willing to sacrifice other people's children for their "principles"

Armchair Parent> willing to sacrifice anything for their soldier children's protection

You seem confused

You should be happy with the staus quo which is a continuation of the occupations. And by the way I do not want to sacrafice children that is why the occupations and the murders that have accompanied need to end. You seem to be in favor of continued war as long as flack jackets are supplied to the invading army. We want different things, I want an end to illegal wars and to hold those who started them held accountable you want more killing of Americans and Iraqi's and to continue to flush our tax dollars down the toilet. chris dorsey

No one here is for continued war

Including Obama. How do you propose to exit? Pulling the plug and letting the soldiers drown down your toilet? Obama has made it clear he plans to exit reasonably, not foolishly. Mccain doesn't want to exit at all. They are light years apart.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

It's funny, the last person I heard this argument from was a..

...republican troll at Democratic Underground. As if cutting the funding for the war will leave the army penniless and trapped in Iraq as oppsoed to the obvious truth that they will use current funding to leave...now.

But people that want the illegal occupation to continue with other peoples kids killing innocent Iraqis and enslaving the rest, will always try this blatent lie about cutting funding for the troops.

You will hear much more of this bullshit if Obama wins. We need to start looking at the progressive enablers for what they are.

Mccain enabler "outted"

Thanks for tripping on your own feet. I guess another hundred years in Iraq means nothing from where you sit.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

are you starting to understand what Yank really is?

Yank is not about peace or impeachment. She is about protecting the status quo. Always has been. Were it up to people like this, the "progressive" movement would be neo-con lite, just like the DLC and Obama want.

Willy's proposal = Stagnation

The status quo changed alright , from a sound foreign policy/balanced budget in 1999 to a Neocon Nightmare for 8 years ad nauseum. Thanks for the memories, but no thanks, I'll take Obama over McCain. I want CHANGE , Willy, looks like you are the one content with McBush and the status quo. I agree you don't believe in the status quo, you believe in losing to stagnation .

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS , PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

Sound foriegn policy? Balanced budget?

Ever heard of Bosnia? How about a million dead Iraqi kids from the damn sanctions, thanks to Clinton and Albright trying to get Saddam to hand over Iraqs oil rights?

Balanced budget? Ever heard of NAFTA?

In short, Obama isn't going to fix your problems. He's part of them. But keep talking, I just love bringing up all of these facts people need to hear.

oh you mean when genocide and wmd's were actually REALITIES ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_v._Serbia_and_Monten...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

I didn't agree with NAFTA, which, by the way, had nothing to do with the fact that the budget was balanced in 1999.

And your proposal , again, you never bring up YOUR proposal. Maybe because you have NONE , unless your alternative is McCain, then we aren't listening.

Ah, I see. Hussain had all those WMDs back THEN...

So the Blue candidates were justified killing millions of kids? I mean, not taking out Saddam because, as you say, he had all those "weapons", but rather keeping him in place because he served a purpose, and killing nearly a million children with the needless sanctions? But that is ok, because it's better to kill them over there than have to kill them over here, perhaps?

(even though the inspectors like Scott Ritter said they were gone well before 1999...)

And Bosnia was all about bringing freeom and democracy to the region?

"Few men believe in liberty; most just wish for a just master."

True freedom, is freedom of thought. To be able to think and see beyond what is fed you. Whether you watch Rush or Maddow, the opression is the same. You will never understand this in any way that isn't colored by your false left vs right illusion.

You will never know real freedom, because that frightens you more than anything else.

Clearly Clinton told the truth about both , but lied about a BJ

And even this site's premise is against THE LIES that led to an unjustified war.

Don't you think the Republicans would have gone after Bill Clinton for more than a BJ if he had lied about either case? They were chomping at the bit to get rid of him! "Illusions" ? I did not vote for Bill Clinton, so I hold no false loyalty.

And as far as your "foggy memory" of Scott Ritter is concerned, he resigned in August of 1998 as UN weapons inspector because Clinton was not vigorous ENUF against Saddam Hussein's weapons program that existed AT THE TIME (this is widely known in the blogosphere, so you really tripped over you feet on that one) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

'...In August 1998, Ritter resigned his position as UN weapons inspector and sharply criticized the Clinton administration and the U.N. Security Council for not being vigorous enough about insisting that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction be destroyed. Ritter also accused U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan of assisting Iraqi efforts at impeding UNSCOM's work. "Iraq is not disarming", Ritter said on August 27, 1998, and in a second statement, "Iraq retains the capability to launch a chemical strike."... '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

'...When the United States and the UN Security Council failed to take action against Iraq for their ongoing failure to cooperate fully with inspectors (a breach of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1154), Ritter resigned from the United Nations Special Commission on August 26, 1998.[3]

In his letter of resignation, Ritter said the Security Council's reaction to Iraq's decision earlier that month to suspend co-operation with the inspection team made a mockery of the disarmament work. Ritter later said, in an interview, that he resigned from his role as a United Nations weapons inspector over inconsistencies between United Nations Security Council Resolution 1154 and how it was implemented.

The investigations had come to a standstill, were making no effective progress, and in order to make effective progress, we really needed the Security Council to step in a meaningful fashion and seek to enforce its resolutions that we're not complying with.[2]

On September 3, 1998, several days after his resignation, Ritter testified before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services and the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and said that he resigned his position "out of frustration that the United Nations Security Council, and the United States as its most significant supporter, was failing to enforce the post-Gulf War resolutions designed to disarm Iraq."[4]...'

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

NO SPOILERS, PERIOD > WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

This is the last time I will talk to you, moron...

Wikipedia is an EDITABLE source. It is an OPEN source that ANY think tank can and will edit to suit their needs,...

...because they KNOW MORONS LIKE YOU WILL QUOTE IT AS FACT.

Now read a little from Ritter's own work, or, if it's easier for you, just go to YOUTUBE and watch his many discussions on the subject.

Are you suggesting, like so many republican trolls out there that Saddam HAD THE WMDs and that he only got rid of them just before the new set of inspections?

That would justify this illegal occupation of Iraq, you insipid little troll, and THAT would nullify Bugliosi's case for the prosecution of Bush.

You see, in your abject blindness and desire to press for ObamaGod, you will regurgitate ANY morsel of news, no matter how far fetched, and no matter what it does later to ANY other cause you have.

You are a zealot.

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