Top Question on Obama's Website Asks Him If He Will Prosecute War Criminals
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2009-01-02 01:18.
President Elect Obama's website at Change.gov currently shows this as the most popular question people are asking:
"Will you appoint a Special Prosecutor - ideally Patrick Fitzgerald - to independently investigate the gravest crimes of the Bush Administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping?"
Bob Fertik, New York City
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FAR OUT !
Almost 10,000 more popular than pot .
ARREST BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/FARA AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !
UNITE IN SOLIDARITY !!!
I got the same email
asking me to support this. Here is how I responded to Peaceteam.net:
Nice idea, but Patrick Fitzgerald? This is the same guy who spent millions investigating the Plame outing and wound up indicting a flunky on a technical violation. He let Bob Novak slide, who clearly violated the law in naming a clandestine operative. He let Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and Lawrence Eagleberger slide, each of whom was clearly implicated. Fitzgerald is an incompetent, politicized, grand-standing phony who couldn't convict a ham sandwich of ham possession.
Best wishes and Happy New Year,
Sam Thornton
Let Donald Duck do it!
Sam,
I don't care if the special prosecutor is Donald Duck! It's the process that counts! The world has to see that the American people recognize what we have done and what we have become and that we are trying to correct our mistakes that counts. If we don't, the criminal acts become what our country stands for in the eyes of the world. Obama will change NOTHING unless WE demand it! We are the "progressives", he is just a politician.
Al K.
Don't blame me, I voted for Ralph Nader.
Donald Duck?
An investigation that will not show the truth to the people
better don't do it.
Useless Investigations no more!
We are sick and tired of Warren's and 9-11 Commission's type. They ended doing nothing but covering up the truth. And perhaps they will give a MEDAL to the criminals, after all they did it to "Protect US".
Infomous Warren comission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zcEelhzzUg&feature=related
Infamous 9-11 Commission:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRnwRxXJw6M
So no more COVER UP!
Instead i selected this question:
""Will the many crimes committed by the outgoing administration, including the torture and rendition of detainees, the illegal war on Iraq; 9/11 conspiracy, stolen elections and likely recent murder of Rove's IT Guru, Mike Connell, be investigated?""
By
Dione, New Mexico
It's SCOPE is wider.
Are you kidding?
They are going to pull that one, just like they "pulled" building 7 at the World Trade Center. It was down in 6 seconds (and no plane hit it). Personally I'm sure the tooth fairy did it in conspiracy with the Easter Bunny.
9/ll is so yesterday. They don't want to look backward -- especially if Dick Cheney is following them. Better to be shot in the back.
4Peace
They didn't pull it..
Building 7. This IMPORTANT witness: Mr. Silverbird is saying so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO2eCNsHmn8&feature=channel_page
Regarding the question for OBAMA. I think they shouldn't mention the word: Conspiracy. It scares some folks.
However, the truthers are getting more credible Little by Little.
Check this out now they have 560 Members A & E:
http://www.ae911truth.org/
And for the FIRST time the FBI is giving them some credit:
"FBI Acknowledges Thorough Research and Analysis of AE911Truth: "
"The FBI's Michael J. Heimbach, Assistant Director, Counterterrorism Division, says: "Mr. Gage presents an interesting theory, backed by thorough research and analysis."
http://www.ae911truth.org/info/45
With the FASCIST NEOCONS (DICK & CO) out of power (I hope soon) more witnesses will come to the open.
My point is: That we don't need no more COVER UP COMISSIONS.
I'm in agreement about commissions
that don't do anything but pay lip service. There has to be meaningful investigation and prosecutions (if provable-which they are) to lend credibility to PE Obama and the United State. I would much prefer we join the ICC and take the "politics" completely out of it. That way, Nancy Pelosi, Jane Harmon, Tom Daschle and Jay Rockefeller will have to scurry home to grab their Passports and book it to some unknown location where the International Criminal Court (ICC) can't find them. I honestly don't see how we can have a Commission that would convict the Democrats as well as the Rethugs. The corruption is too deep and crosses political lines. We need an outside arbitrator (like the ICC).
building 7
The report for building 7 was published earlier this year. Whast they are tryingto say is that the furniture in the building was so hot that the walls expanded causing the collapse of the floors...Demand the truth!
If he fails to prosecute them, he's proven HE IS MORE BULLSHIT
if O'Bombya doesn't prosecute, as I believe he will not, then it proves that there is no recourse but to get out the 'fourth box' and use it.
they've left us not much of a choice. the system is so rigged that 'Change You Can Believe In' is a chimera, a fake, another fucking phony assed mantra for idiots and fools to chant.
it's time for the fourth box. truly it is. it's time.
Obama Investigate?
Obama has already campaigned on - the US didn't have anything to do with 9/11, so why would he now allow a real investigation when he was already behind Bush and Cheney not taking the heat? Obama is the new turkey on the block.
As to Fitzgerald, he intentionally messed up the first WTC investigation as well as what Sam writes, so he's not a candidate for further investigations.
agreed
Fitzgerald is just the next Philip Zelikow. His "investigation" would be useless. I got an idea, how about Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul head up the investigation, and we see where that goes... huh?
Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul as Co-Chairs, and Cynthia McKinney as the Executive Director of the Independent Congressional Commission of the Bush Administrations Crimes Against Humanity...
Now THAT I would vote for
Wow
Dennis and Ron would be like Titanium and Stainless Steel, as far as being true blue. About the only guys running for president I gave a damn about. I pulled for Barack, but he's just one lie after another. He's turning into an Uncle Tom and I don't like that noise one bit. Nice dream.
These Three Politicians
Dennis, Ron and Cynthia are so one-sided in their opinions on Israel and Hamas. I'd prefer a panel that can condemn both sides - they're both violent and willing to sacrifice civilians at the drop of a hat.
These Three Politicians
Dennis, Ron and Cynthia follow the brain-free mantra of condemning Israel rather than condemning both sides. Hamas and Israel are both violent and are willing to sacrifice civilians at the drop of a hat.
Please support your comment with a link...
If you are going to suggest that either Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, or Cynthia McKinney do not condemn the targeting of Israeli civilians, please support such an outrageous statement with links so that we don't think you are just talking out of your a__. I can easily provide MULTIPLE LINKS were they all call for a cease fire on both sides and condemn indiscriminate targeting of civilians.
Hamas rockets cannot target I am told.
Apparently they shoot them up and where they land is where they land. They do try to get them to Israel. That is not the be condoned. But one can understand that living in an open air prison is difficult.
Did the Jews resist in the Warsaw Ghetto? Just wondering?
4Peace
You make a good point, 4Peace
Please take a look at this breakdown of the numbers of the casualties of the second infatada, as reported by an Israeli Human Rights watchdog group in the occupied territories. It makes the story they are trying to sell us about the "thousands and thousands" of Palestinian "rockets", very clear as to what that really is...
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/by-the-numbers-some-facts-abo...
(I would also like to state that as of yet, that person above has NOT posted a link to a source that shows Kucinich, Paul, or McKinney do not care about Israeli victims of indiscriminate attacks. I am still waiting)
Ron video
Latest Ron Paul video is right about many issues. He erroneously says fighting has been going on for hundreds of years [but not about this current mess.] He never condemns Hamas for sacrificing its own people by hiding and firing rockets among civilians. Israel is awful and so is Hamas.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-condemns-israeli-invasion-of-gaza.h...
I haven't found any reference to Dennis or Cynthia condemning Hamas. They may say a cease fire is needed, but I've yet to see these politicians say anything negative about Hamas.
You are watching To Much MSM!
I advise you to watch this little video for better understanding of the situation IN GAZA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plTFURMfTGk&feature=channel_page
Did you Watch it?
1-"He never condemns Hamas for sacrificing its own people by hiding and firing rockets among civilians"
Hamas did NOT kill a single ISRAELI in those SIX MONTHS of cease fire: ZERO,ZIP,NADA.
Just take a look to this pictures taken in both sides:
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story.
Did you see ANY difference in fire POWER?
But something TERRIBLE happened ON NOV 4TH 2008 (US Election, BRAVO!)and the very same day:
ISRAEL Launched a Mayor attack killing SEVERAL HAMAS Liders provoking them into a HIGHER CONFRONTATION.
In November the 5th a COMPLETE SEIGE OF GAZA started.
Conclusion:
The part of the story the MSM shows is from Nov 4 when many rockets were fired from GAZA. But even so they don't have the FIRE POWER and the precision the other side has.
2-"I haven't found any reference to Dennis or Cynthia condemning Hamas."
They actually BLAME ISRAEL from provoking HAMAS, Murdering and starving their people. Something like the NAZIS did to the Jew people inside the Warsaw Ghetto. Those Jews also wanted live FREE or Die.
jlennon, nice link, I don't think he gets it though
too much MSM like you said.
check this out. It's about the LNG reserves off the Gazan coast, and the deal between the PA, Eygpt, and BG (British Gas) that threatened to cut Israel out of the payday.
I think this is why Israel is invading Gaza talking about "regime change"... just like we did in Iraq... for the exact same reasons.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/33-israelis-or-2-lng-reserves...
"Hamas Killed Two Last Week"
Both sides are vile.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9921
Also, where are Princess Haya and the other Muslim world fund-giving-big-shots who toss money around? They never say one word about this conflict. And, they never donated to help the Palestinians very much.
Marzi
This is as much about Hamas "rockets" as Iraq was about "WMDs"...
... get used to it. It's great to be a "republican" or a 'democrat", just don't be blinded by it. Same holds true for religon... this has NOTHING to do with some old ancient rivalry... it's about money, money, money, and then some more money... just like Iraq was, just like Vietnam and Chile and Korea, ect. ect. ect.
The Palestinians killed "2" people on their land? Two people who are occupying their land and who are part of a system that has kept Palestinian children living in poverty in the largest open air prison in history?
And you call them "vile" for that? What would you do? Everyone talks about what would we do if "thousands" of rockets came from Mexico...
... what would you do if your kids had to live like that because of Mexicans who claimed "god gave them" your home? What would you do, after burying your wife or your children because a Mexican F-16 fired White Phosphorous shells into your home at 3 am in the morning?
What would you do? Lay down and take it up the ass? Well, if that would be your answer, then you are a f'in punk, and you deserve what you get.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983."
Palestinians are human beings. They have a right to live free and to resist their tormentors. If you are so blinded by the rhetoric, don't waste our time here. What is right for one is right for all. Israel must stop it's illegal and immoral attack on the people of Gaza.
If you can't see that, then you can't see much.
Willylo: Nice article about LNG
This "WAR ON THE ROCKETS" it is a cover up.
It have to be exposed.
This is about LAND, LIQUID GAS and GREED. You can bet they won't leave in order to keep a grab on those GAS FIELDS.
ZIONISM is as bad as FASCISM.
They have learned how to use FEAR and PROPAGANDA to achieve their IMPERIAL GOALS.
They OWN the MSM, we only have the Internet and the Blogosphere.
You said:
"This is as much about Hamas "rockets" as Iraq was about "WMDs"..."
Right ON!
Thanks JL...
...
Research more
and you'll find out the conflict has been going on for centuries. Just like the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. You really need to turn that boob tube off and quit believing anything Brian Williams (or any of the other corporate shills) is telling you. Israel is the new Third Reich. Thanks to the neoconservatives here.
Missing PLO Billions
Funds that could have prevented malnutrition in the poor sector of Palestine were squirrled away by Arafat and are now at the disposal of his family. His widow goes to couture houses regularly.
http://www.odiousdebts.org/odiousdebts/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=1...
Marzi: Shame on You!
Shame on You:
You are Making Propaganda for the ZIONIST REGIME.
Let’s suppose that’s true that there is missing money from the Arafat’s (PLO) Banks Accounts.
Doest it justify NOT to give to the people of GAZA any Food, Water, Medicine, Medical Supplies. Etc.
Four trucks a day is what you are allowing for 1.5 Million People.
Shame on you
Get out of Here
Hamas Stop Firing Rockets
http://www.truthout.org/010609J
The truth is Hamas won't stop because it increases their status in the Arab world and they're deadly and infantile just like the Israelis.
In case you forgot, marzi...
there is the little matter of the Israeli BLOCKADE surrounding Gaza. NOTHING can get in... not even Arafats missing money. Do you understand the problem with you logic there, buddy? Nothing can get in, unless it is allowed in by the Israelis or dragged in though a tunnel... Do you get it?
Under International Law...
And For more than 40 years there is ONLY ONE ILEGAL invader and OCCUPIER :ISRAEL
MOST of those Rockets were HOMEMADE "Fire Crackers".
How could you explain?:
There was not a SINGLE ISRAELI killed during the SIX months even so THE ZIONISTS STARTED On Nov 4th a MAYOR PROVATION to take adventage of the last days of the NEOCON FASCIST MAFIA which is the BUSH REGIME!
Get out of here!
Rockets, Missing Funds?
Read Robert Fisk article a few posts back - rockets recently killed two schoolgirls and are always a threat. As to the missing PLO billions stolen by Arafat, of course they won't be returned. Just reporting how corrupt and impossible the Palestinian leadership has been. Remember, the Palestinians would not live with the Israelis and went to Jordan, and experienced more problems for not wanting to stay in Jordan.
You keep talking, I'll keep posting facts. ok?
Here is a link to B'Tselem, the Israeli Human Rights Organization in Palestine who is the universally acknowledged resource on casualties of the israeli/Palestinian conflict. Not only do they list accurate numbers of fatalities, but also the names of those people and the manner in which they were killed.
http://www.btselem.org/english/Statistics/Casualties_Data.asp?Category=1...
Now people reading here can go read the FACTS about the numbers of fatalities in Palestine and Israel, for themselves...
Marzi, Please Read The Books Of James Petras
I would suggest to you and highly recommend to you reading the books of Professor James Petras. He is a sociologist at the University of Bingamton in New York.
Professor Petras has studied the influence of what he refers to in his latest book as the Zionist Power Configuration or ZPC for short.
If you are making claims about the lack of condemnation for the likes of Kucinich, Paul and McKinney, it is most likely due to the ZPC's influence in the American corporate media. The mainstream media is one of the many elements of the ZPC as is quite clear when you read Petras' works. In addition, if you take some time to carefully study what Petras is saying in his books, you really must examine your own conscience to determine if you have been taken in by the influence peddled by the ZPC and its many elements.
Having said all this, it is good that you can see the actions of the Isrealis as counter productive to their proclaimed desire for peace. For thema s well as for wealthy Americans war remains GOOD BUSINESS!
"Torture and wiretapping" are the "gravest crimes"...
the Bush administration has committed?
What?
What about killing a million Iraqis and wounding countless more? What about "shock and awe" and illegally imprisoning 10s of thousands of people who resist his illegal occupation of a foreign country?
I'm sorry, but I don't think I understand this correctly. G. Bush is a War Criminal, on par with other War Criminals of our history. We have proof that he went into his very first NSA meeting and DEMANDED his people find a way to go into Iraq, and then, a day after after 9/11 his people told others to find a connection to Saddam Hussain.
And then they systematically did just that, with the Office of Special Plans.
I agree..
It is very hard to measure which crime is the WORST of those so many commited by the them.
But also don't forget that they are still in charge and they just gave ISRAEL the green light to massacre the people of Gaza.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/BREAKING_Dramatic_escalation_in_Gaza_tanks...
BREAKING: 'Dramatic escalation' in Gaza, tanks 'moving toward frontier'
The WORST is yet to come!
This war could scalate to a WORLD WAR and perhaps some Nukes could be fired!
Kinda reminds you of the Warsaw Ghetto
Sure must be tough being a persecuted one.
4Peace
Bush’s raging racism
Another top question for Obama should be whether he is going to do anything about Bush’s raging racism.
George W. Bush’s hatred of all racial minorities has become such a serious problem.
“GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” BLOG OF ANDREW YU-JEN WANG
http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2008/12/george-w-bushs-hatred-of-al...
Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
David Icke claims Obama is a fraud:
WWW.DAVIDICKE.COM/OBAMA
We Prosecute War Criminals Don't We?
BUSH and His special buddies have TORTURED people as well as committed many other war crimes. Thus beyond all the excuses it is our DUTY to bring them in for a fair trial just like we did for Hitler's *special* friends so that they can be put behind bars for the rest of their stinking lives.
The Zionist Regime, with aid from the USA, has been occupying Palestine illegally for a very long time now committing numerous war crimes including dropping WHITE PHOSPHORUS on heavily populated civilian areas. THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED just like BUSH and His buddies so that they can do no more harm. Thus they too deserve their day in court.
This isn't rocket science folks. This is what we've always done. Stop those of us who harm others so that the world becomes a better place. Ultimately that's what we want, right?
Please make calls, get out into the streets, write letters, send faxes (they just love faxes!), and anything else you can think of that will make a difference. It is up to us. Bad guys NEVER stop until someone else stops them. Thus PROSECUTION is the doorway to seeing justice once and for all. Please do whatever you can do to make this happen because President-elect OBAMA is most likely NOT going to push for this on his own.
hi
hi
fascisim threaten
Mr Obama must be careful with the strong fascism comming from the cristian fascists into his administration and also from former usa's presidents.
He should pay attention to
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Also He should be aware of ¿Why the priest that
was supouse to be his friend suddently changed
against him?. Because he was manipulated to do so.
Mr Clinton last year got $50 million on donations from an important mexican.
Mr tony Garza married 3 billion dollars
Be very careful with all fascism comming also
from spain.
Before He do anything with mexicans; he must order a full investigation to FBI and DEA on anybody that comes with such pretentions; remember that Mexicans are under crime organizations at any level.